The only to stop this bill is the house voting against it when they merge the senate + house bill.

If it pass the house, it's over since it will easily pass the senate.

I wouldn't have too much hope... 98% of americans were against the bank bailout and they passed it anyway. And now around 50% and more want a health care reform, so me think it will pass easily.

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we are trough it's over.
can I have cool drink of water(said like Dennis hopper when he''s dying in true grit)

It was destined to pass anyway.

IMO, both parties want this to pass.

Dems so they can say they passed a bill that will help millions of uninsured Americans. Of course, they forget to say that it will take at least 5 years before they become insured.

Reps because they want to hold the issue against the dems. Reps know this is going to cost more money than what the Dems state.

Also, notice how little of a fight reps have put up during all this debate.

Rep know that if they can get control of Congress they amend the parts they don't like.

From what I understand it's pretty much a done deal now.

Originally posted by genius/idoit
From what I understand it's pretty much a done deal now.

Why? Its just passed for debate.

I want this bill to pass more than anybody, but you must understand the process that must go through. I think conservatives and those on the right should really focus on rally their republican senators to bring on solid debate for once.

No, this is just the first step. The bills now goes to the Senate floor for debate. Amendments will be added, the will be merged with the House Bill, then the final bill will be voted on.

This is the time we need to be in contact with our Senators, whether we be for or against.

Originally posted by jam321
It was destined to pass anyway.

IMO, both parties want this to pass.

Dems so they can say they passed a bill that will help millions of uninsured Americans. Of course, they forget to say that it will take at least 5 years before they become insured.

Reps because they want to hold the issue against the dems. Reps know this is going to cost more money than what the Dems state.

Also, notice how little of a fight reps have put up during all this debate.

Rep know that if they can get control of Congress they amend the parts they don't like.

They should keep going down this road, because it might be the only thing that can outrage enough of us, so that we can all kick them out of Congress come 2010.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by genius/idoit
From what I understand it's pretty much a done deal now.

Why? Its just passed for debate.

I want this bill to pass more than anybody, but you must understand the process that must go through. I think conservatives and those on the right should really focus on rally their republican senators to bring on solid debate for once.

I like certain portions of the Bill, but I also realize that they are simply "Goody Packages" meant to accrue support for this entire mess. There is no point in passing a bill which has maybe 100 pages of good measures, but 2,000 pages of absolute garbage.

Even Rush has said that once a bill passes this hurdle chances are good it will pass. We will have sham healthcare. People will be murdered as a result of letting diabolically pocessed elites control how we are treated in hospitals. America will not even be a safe place to visit until certain members of a certain family no longer control healthcare.

You think its doomed because someone from Louisiana got millions of dollars in relief effort to mop up the crap STILL left over after Katrina and Joe "I was a democrat last year" Liebermann voted for it?

I know this is all prattle and charm, but this isn't some dramatic shift in the party. They leaked two votes out after a month of stonewalling, and theres no way the bill is going to be passed without some serious butchery.