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Originally posted by ChemBreather
Hmm, I'm still stuck at : Enki and Enlil, two brothers at war, one is known to the western world as God (Enki) and the other is known as Allah (Enlil) for muslims.
Enlil's legacy: Like his counterparts Anu and Enki/Ea, several of Enlil's characteristics formed the theological background of later Canaanite and Israelite traditions. The Hebrew patriarch Abraham was said to have come from "Ur of the Chaldeans," directly downriver from Nippur, where Enlil's center of worship lay. Abraham's family certainly knew the stories of Enlil, Anu, and Enki. While Abraham rejected the polytheism of Babylonian religion, certain stories involving Enlil seem to have found their way into Israelite tradition. The clearest of these is the story of Enlil sending the Great Flood to destroy mankind. However, in the Hebrew version, there is only one God; and thus Yahweh is both the originator of the flood (Enlil's role) and the deity who warns Noah of its coming (Enki's role).
As Ellil, Enlil may have been influenced the development of the concept of El, the head of the assembly of the gods in Canaanite religion, and the object of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob's devotion in the Hebrew Bible. Some scholars have seen a parallel between Marduk's rise to the kingship of the gods over Enlil and the older gods in Babylonian mythology and Yahweh's rise in Israelite tradition. As the sky deity and earlier king of the gods, Enlil may also have influenced the Greek concept of Zeus, although it was Marduk who was directly associated with the planet Jupiter.
...Like many of the Arabs, Muhammad had come to believe that al-Lah, the High God of the ancient Arabian pantheon whose name simply meant 'the God', was identical to the God worshiped by the Jews and the Christians.
Originally posted by YukaiHenjin
Harte, do you think that the "iron eagle" refers to airplanes or some type of aircraft? It is a prophecy, and prophecies are about the future, so that is my guess on what it means. The original author probably had no other way to describe an airplane, and I can't think of anything else that would be called an "iron eagle."
Originally posted by YukaiHenjin
Surely no one is suggesting that the Hopi were not here until after then?
I think the Hopi arrived across the Bering Strait with the Aztecs and other Native Americans. I was talking about the Pahana, who was described as a white man, and whether the Pahana came more recently from Europe/Middle East. All I know is that they came before the Spanish, but I'd like to know when the Hopi first prophecized about Pahana.
Originally posted by Harte
"White" is relative.
Also, I sincerely doubt the veracity of this so-called "Hopi prophecy."
If it was actually made at all, how do we know it wasn't made last year?
Someone here at ATS once contacted the Hopi nation on some other "prophecy" that was claimed here. The response was they'd never heard of it.
This info can be found here at ATS.
Originally posted by Savageamberq
1) There are no Sumerian experts. It simply isn't possible, unless they have had access to something the public doesn't know about, which, is possible. But considering the sheer amount of historical data, cuneiform tablets and things yet to be studied, the current consensus knowledge is limited. Which means that new discoveries could be being made as I write.
2) The actual study of Sumerian tablets is extremely limited. The institutions in charge of handling the classifications of tablets basically break them down into two categories. A) lists, resources, records, the "mundane" things that paint a picture of everyday life. Which are so called fact. and B) Mythology. Everything else gets lumped in as myth and fiction, which effects the mindset of the researcher and sets a value or priority of A) over B). We are basically discounting thousands of tablets, which means many of them haven't even been touched yet, let alone taken seriously. This is important to the language factor in many ways. A.K.A. Dialects etc. For example, when speaking of latin, words in poetic latin may have slightly or entirely different meaning the seemingly same word in "standard latin" ( i.e: in Ovid's Metamorpheson, 'nec opina' means 'unthought of', poetic latin, but in standard modern latin, 'nec opina' means 'unthinking'. Similar, but truly different meanings.)
In conclusion, we don't know the extent of the similarities in language yet, because we have barely scratched the surface of the wealth of info the Sumerians and the subsequent empires following them have left. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't discourse on the subject, for that is how we learn. Thanks for sharing all the comments and the original post.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Could you let us know what you are basing this opinion on? How is 'scratching the surface' equal to the publishing of the Sumerian dictionary, grammar and lexicon?