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Harry James notes in his book 'Pages from Hopi History' that as late as the time of the Pueblo Rebellion in the 17th century, there were Hopi who still held out hope that the white Spanish were the ancestors of the feathered-serpent Quetzalcoatl, and again in the 19th century, some mistook the first Americans as the feathered-serpent's heirs. The blind brutality of both the Spanish and the Americans convinced them otherwise.
~The Hopi believe Tuawta is One Who Sees Magic. The Sumerians believed TUAT.U was One from the Other World.
The Tuatha Dé Danann ("People of the Goddess Danu") were one of the mythical races who settled in Ireland before the arrival of the Milesians, the ancestors of modern Gaels. The Dananns were descendants of the goddess Danu. Her son Dagda was their most powerful leader of the Dananns.
The Tuatha Dé Dananns were a race of deities as well as race of heroes. They were skilled in art and science, poetry and magic.
(It should be noted that the fairies in Celtic myths (especially Irish, Welsh and Arthurian myths) had nothing to do with tiny pixie with wings that are found in folklore and children fairy tales, like Tinklebell in Peter Pan or the Fairy Godmother in Cinderella. The fairies found here were human with supernatural power. Modern interpretations of fairies tend to prettify them, particularly during the Victorian period (19th century) in Britain.
In early Irish and Welsh literature, they could be tall or short, beautiful or ugly. They can be benevolent beings, but at other times they can be frighteningly cruel or malign. Morrigan and Morgan le Fay would not be considered fairies in the modern sense.)
Vedic tradition and most of the other ancient civilization believe in the feminine aspect of the creator. Vedic tradition calls her as Prakriti (Mother Nature) or Shakti (creative force responsible for weaving the web of life). Interestingly, the Hopi regard her as Spiderwoman, i.e. the one who has woven the web of life. This was the predominant thinking of most of the civilizations during the Age of Cancer, the mother sign, which lasted from around 8000B.C to 6000B.C.
The Hopi believe the Father Creator is KA. The Vedic tradition also believes that the root of the father essence is ‘KA’ which is the first alphabet of Sanskrit, the primary language of the Vedic tradition.
...Cultures including the Egyptians, Mayans, Assyrians, Phoenicians,and the Jews have this concept of twin gods or brothers presiding over the affairs of the earth.
Indra's net symbolizes a universe where infinitely repeated mutual relations exist between all members of the universe. This idea is communicated in the image of the interconnectedness of the universe as seen in the net of the Vedic god Indra,
The author argues that all of these firmly entrenched—and vigorously defended—beliefs are false, that they are myths propagated by a small group of scholars who have failed to understand the true basis of genetic affinity. Twentieth-century Indo-Europeanists (though not their nineteenth-century forebears) have confused the issue of genetic affinity, which derives from classification, with such traditional concerns of historical linguistics as reconstruction and sound correspondences.
a comparison of all the world’s languages in this new perspective leaves little doubt that all extant human languages share a common origin.
Many linguists believe that the rate of linguistic change is such that all trace of genetic affiliation is effaced after only several thousand years.
One of the most cogent pieces of evidence that Greenberg (1987) offered in support of the Amerind phylum was the presence of first-person "n" and second-person "m" in all eleven branches. As noted in Chapter 12, the first- and second-person pronouns are known to be among the most stable meanings over time.
ka: mouth [KA archaic frequency: 108; concatenates 2 sign variants].
ka: in late usage the difference between a rough measuring and a final measuring of a quantity of grain.
ká: gate [? KA2 archaic frequency: 11; concatenates 4 sign variants].
ka9: (cf., kas7 and nígtilde-kas7/ka9).
kas7, ka9: deduction; settlement of accounts; possession (back-formation from nígtilde-kas7/ka9).
ta, dá: n., nature, character [TA archaic frequency: 34; concatenates 6 sign variants].
prep., from; to; for; by means of (ablative-instrumental noun suffix and verbal prefix; as a noun suffix can be a locative with remote deixis, as in an-ta and ki-ta).
ta6: (cf., taka4).
Alû is one of the Utukku, vengeful spirits in the lore of the ancient Assyrians. According to Pamela Allardice, they were feared more greatly than death itself. She describes Alû as "a horrid phantom of a leprous man with an arm and a leg missing." The clutch, or even the merest touch of Alû would give one the disease.
Stephen Hubert Langdon cites a translation of a cuneiform script by H.J. Rawlinson. From from v Pl. 50, A, line 42: "Whom in his bed the wicked Alû covered,/Whom the wicked ghost by night overwhelmed". Langdon (364) states that Alû is androgynous and "attacks a man's breast".
Kami are defined in English as "spirit", "essence" or "deities", that are associated with many understood formats; in some cases being human like, some animistic, others associated with more abstract "natural" forces in the world (mountains, rivers, lightning, wind, waves, trees, rocks).
The lowest level of development of Slavic mythology includes various groups of home or nature spirits and magical creatures, which vary greatly amongst different Slavic nations.
In pre-Semitic Sumer there are no anthropomorphic gods. We hear, instead, of the zi or 'spirit', a word properly signifying 'life' which manifested itself in the power of motion. All things that moved were possessed of life, and there was accordingly a 'life' or 'spirit' of the water as well as of man or beast.
lú-zi(-d): righteous, good man ('man' + 'faithful, true').
taka, taga, tak, tag, tà: to touch, handle, hold; to weave; to decorate, adorn; to
strike, hit, push; to start a fire; to fish, hunt, catch (can be reduplicated) (te, 'to approach' + aka, 'to do,
place, make') [TAG archaic frequency: 48 ?; concatenates 7 ? sign variants] .
taka4, tak4, tag4, ta6: to abandon; to disregard, neglect; to divorce; to leave with a person,
entrust; to open, leave open (reduplication class - ta6-ta6 in marû) (ta, 'to, from', + ge4, 'turn from,
restore') [TAK4 archaic frequency: 128; concatenates 2 sign variants] .
tar: v., to cut; to decide; to determine; to inquire; to smoke; to break, destroy (ta, 'from', + ur4, 'to shear,
reap'; cf., dar and nam...tar) [TAR archaic frequency: 56; concatenates 2 sign variants] .
adj., deliberate, judicious.
IM×TAK4; IM.TAK4; TAK4; TAK4.IM: to cut; to be cut out.
In older transliteration the name is rendered Ninib and in early commentary he was sometimes portrayed as a solar deity.
ud, u4: n., sun; light; day; time; weather; storm (demon) [UD archaic frequency: 419].
prep., when; since.
kúm: n., heat; summer; fever (kù, 'bright' + to be).
v., to heat.
kára, kár, guru6: to encircle, besiege; to impute, accuse; to shine, illuminate; to be bright (of
light, day) (reduplication class) (sometimes written for kúr) (place + ur, 'to surround' + a, nominative
ending, and ara4, 'to shine') [? KAR2 archaic frequency: 68; concatenates 2 sign variants] .
~The Hopi believe Danik to be Guardians in the Clouds. The Sumerians believed DAK.AN to be Sky Warriors.
~The Hopi believe Sotunangu is a Sky Katsina. The Sumerians believed TAK.AN.IKU were Sky Warriors.
~The Hopi believe Chakwaina is the Chief of Warriors. The Sumerians believed TAK.AN.U was the Heavenly Destroyer.
iku: a surface measure of 3600 meters2 = 100 sar = 1 square 'rope' = 1/18 bùr (plural Akk. form of ég,
ukur3,4, uku2,5: n., poor man; poverty.
v., to be or become poor.
ùña, ùñ, ùku, un(-ñá): people; population; crowd.
šu: n., hand; share, portion, bundle; strength; control [ŠU archaic frequency: 360].
v., to pour.
šu4(-g): to stand; to be deployed, set up (plural, reduplication class).
šuš(2), šu2,4: to overthrow; to throw down; to go down; to set, become dark, be overcast (said of the
sun); to cover (with -da-) (reduplication class) (reduplicated šu, 'hand'; cf., šub) [ŠUŠ2 archaic frequency:
šuš4: to fell trees; to chop away (reduplicated šu, 'hand').
šuš5,6, šu5,6: bedding, litter, feed, fodder (scattered for animals) (reduplicated uš, 'to stand upon').
šùde, šùdu, šùd, šu12: n., prayer, blessing [ŠU12 archaic frequency: 1].
v., to pray, bless (šu, 'hand', + dé, 'to hail').
ul: n., joy, pleasure, satisfaction; star; flower; bud; ornament; a capacity measure of 36 liters in Presargonic
v., to glitter, shine.
adj., remote, distant (in time); ancient, enduring.
mul: n., star; constellation; planet; meteor (ñi6/mi, 'night', + ul, 'star, ornament') [MUL archaic frequency: 6].
v., to (let) sparkle, shine, glow.
šún[MUL]: n., star.
v., to shine brightly.
kìlib, kìli: totality; star(s).
AN.MUL: starry sky (verify than AN is not the rare sign ŠÚ; cf., kunga[ŠÚ.MUL]).
In Babylonian mythology, Tiamat is a goddess who personifies the sea. Tiamat is considered the monstrous embodiment of primordial chaos. Although there are no early precedents for it, some sources identify her with images of a sea serpent or dragon. In the Enûma Elish, the Babylonian epic of creation, she gives birth to the first generation of deities; she later makes war upon them and is killed by the storm-god Marduk. The heavens and the earth are formed from her divided body.
mer(2), mir(2); gùr: n., storm wind; violent storm; north(wind); anger; belt, waistband; an
encircling snake (var. of gùr) (me3,6,7,9,'battle', + to flow / circle + ur, 'to surround') [MER archaic
frequency: 48; concatenates 2 sign variants] .
v., to blow fiercely; to get angry.
adj., fierce, angry, furious.
muš: n., snake; reptile (eme, 'tongue'/ma4, 'to leave, depart, go out', + úš, 'to kill'/uš11, 'venom, poison') [MUŠ
archaic frequency: 3; BU: archaic frequency: 393; concatenation of 2 sign variants] .
ki-maþ: high place; place of honor; grave ('place' + 'exalted').
ug4,5,7,8: n., death; dead person.
v., to kill; to die (singular and plural marû stem; plural hamtu, which is sometimes reduplicated; cf., úš).
úš: n., blood; blood vessel; death [? ZATU-644 archaic frequency: 65; concatenation of 2 sign variants] .
v., to die; to kill; to block (singular hamtu stem).
gam: n., decline, incline; death; depth (cf., gúr).
v., to bend, curve; to bow down, kneel (for someone: dative; direction: terminative); to shrivel; to succumb
(like a circle + to be).
gúr: n., sphere; circle, ring; loop; hoop (circle + ur, 'to surround').
v., to bow down, submit; to curb, subdue; to die (cf., gam).
nam-úš: death (abstract prefix + 'to die').
saþar(-da)...gi4: to turn into dust; euphemism for 'to die' ('dust' + 'to turn, return').
an: n., sky, heaven; the god An; grain ear/date cluster ('water' + 'high') [AN archaic frequency: 806].
v., to be high.
prep., in front.
igi: n., eye(s); glance; face; aspect, looks; front (reduplicated ig, 'door') [IGI archaic frequency: 21].
v., to see.
prep., before, in front of.
sañ (an-šè)...íl: to lift the head (towards heaven); to raise up ('head' ( + 'unto heaven') + 'to lift
nim, num: n., prince; flying insect; highland; east; morning (high + to be) [NIM archaic frequency: 109;
concatenation of 4 sign variants] .
v., to be high; to multiply in arithmetic.
adj., high; early.
an-ta: above ('heaven' + locative with remote deixis).
~The Hopi believe Tuawta is One Who Sees Magic. The Sumerians believed TUAT.U was One from the Other World.
The legend of the Pahana seems intimately connected with the Aztec story of Quetzalcoatl, and other legends of Central America. This similarity is furthered by the liberal representation of Awanyu, the horned or plumed serpent, in Hopi and other Puebloan art. This figure bears a striking resemblance to figures of Quetzacoatl, the feathered serpent, in Mexico. In the early 16th century, both the Hopis and the Aztecs seem to have believed that coming of the Spanish conquistadors was in fact the return of this lost white prophet.
Originally posted by YukaiHenjin
I think it would be good to look into the Tibetan similarities and this "iron eagle" more. Horses on wheels probably refers to cars (it could also refer to chariots or carriages too since it never said "iron horses" or anything like that, but "on wheels" makes it seem like the "horse" itself is on wheels, not that it is pulling something else on wheels).
Originally posted by andrewsymonds
wow...this thread really wonderful with all the inputs and inputs by anamnesis.
so many similarities between them ...is there any similarity between hopi and sanskrit?or tibetan & sanskrit?
[edit on 4-12-2009 by andrewsymonds]
Originally posted by Harte
There's really no reason to.
The source of that Tibetan prophecy is the sage Padmasambhava. He lived in the eight century A.D.
Surely no one is suggesting that the Hopi were not here until after then?
Edited to add:
I meant to say nice work YukaiHenjin. I am very skeptical of these so called "connections" based on sound-alike words. Without an etymologist, people can fool themselves into believing anything if they go too far down that road.
[edit on 12/4/2009 by Harte]