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reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 05:21 PM by invernal
reply to post by SpaceMonkeys



Yes, I agree with you on most of that and can appreciate that maybe that's where you're coming from when you resist what you see as a scare tactic. I agree that a lot of what is going on is scare tactics.

I just think we should not use that real possibility (to me, probability) to ignore the also real medical and population ramifications of H1N1 now or in the near or far future. That's all.

So, yeah, I think it's probably manmade. But, yeah, it's a real disease and worse, from what I see, and in varying degrees, than regular flu.


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 06:38 PM by wylekat
reply to post by Misoir




Has anyone heard about the new H1N1 spinoff in Norway, a tamiflu resistant H1N1 in North Carolina, USA


My friend caught something icky (Here in NC) and it's lasted FOREVER. Here's the phun part- I haven't been infected, I haven't been sick, nothing. It'd be a laugh if I am immune to this stuff... At least until the TPTB decide I need to be dead anyways.


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 07:01 PM by dgtempe
reply to post by polnativ



Well, there are no pigs here, so i guess i worried for nothing.

Thank you for your report and your English is fine


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 07:02 PM by blc4r4
reply to post by SpaceMonkeys



How many times have I heard this figure 36000 people die every year from seasonal flu. This is not seasonal flu it has no season it has been killing all summer long. Our flu season has just started in oklahoma I fear the worst is yet to come.


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 07:30 PM by randyvs
reply to post by loam



I was wondering why nobody is coming up with any photos of the planes?
I'd definetly like to know what they look like.



reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 07:41 PM by invernal
For what it's worth, I did what I could so far to net-translate (with extra deciphering on my own) a Ukrainian news article from 2 days ago, the 21st of November. I'll post most of it here. Basically, the article gives official numbers for the flu season so far.

source

Ministry of Pub. Health: In the Ukraine are confirmed 225 cases of pig influenza on November 19

... "We today have an influenza pandemic A/H1N1, because we are the territory, in which it there is. But epidemic in us - acute respiratory diseases, seasonal influenza and [pandemicheskogo]", he explained. ...

According to Lazorishintsa, in the Ukraine is carried out a study of 1,168 samples, and in 265 cases is confirmed influenza A, and of them into 225 - disease by pandemic influenza A/H1N1.

The tests were performed in all dead persons, according to the Deputy of Ministry of Pub. Health. In this case of 238 samples, influenza A was confirmed in 21 case, including for A/H1N1 - 17.

Altogether, according to Deputy Minister, since the beginning of the epidemic in the Ukraine, 1,502,345 people fell ill with influenza and acute respiratory disease, including 44,000 in the last 24 hours.

2,878 people were also hospitalized in the recent 24 hours, 233 people are found in the intensive care unit, 42 people on mechanical ventilation of lungs.

13 people died in the last 24 hours. ...

Thus, it established, the situation in the Ukraine was stabilized.

As it communicated, quarantine ends on November 23 in the L'vov region and partially in Ivano-Frank.


I quickly compared these numbers to the numbers I posted earlier from the Flu Wiki using November 6 data for Ukraine since October, and California since April. 4820 people were hospitalized for AH1N1 since April in California, and 266 people died there. 2,878 hospitalized in the Ukraine in one day seems a huge number, seeing as both places lumped together numbers for ILI/ARDS and AH1N1. This might explain the panic, in addition to the severity of the symptoms some are supposedly reporting (but not necessarily coming forth into the mainstream about, as far as I can tell). It seems we still don't know how many of those are from black lung "plague".

(I'll edit my translation as I am able. By tomorrow I hope to translate a current Polish article.)

[edit on 21-11-2009 by invernal]


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 09:30 PM by dgtempe
reply to post by ProudFossil



Hmmm...I do not agree with you. I dont think you will get many people to agree with your theory.
Not here anyway.


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 09:41 PM by invernal
Well, I guess I don't have to work so hard, since I discovered Google Translate. It still needs a human eye for a cleaner translation, though.

So here is a November 16 Polish article about swine flu. According to this article, 3 people died from H1N1 in Poland as of that date.

Google-translated Polish article

When "Hiszpanka" is mentioned, this must mean the Spanish flu.

My preliminary search is turning up no mention of black lung plagues in Poland. I do find a Polish regurgitated Daily Mail article, which I personally don't put much stock in seeing as I don't generally believe everything on that site. Plus they only say "some doctors" report the black lung.

However, I did see an excerpt of an interview or article with plague researcher Michael Supotnitsky, on a Russian homeopathy and vaccine forum. In it, Supotnitsky calls for an investigation into the Ukrainian situation, saying basically that it's no joke, "time is running out", and "We must immediately establish an international independent commission composed of representatives of Poland, Byelorussia, Russia, Ukraine, WHO. And urgently investigate the epidemic situation in those areas from which are reported in pulmonary plague, especially in Ternopil."

forum referencing plague researcher Supotnitsky

epidemiologist and plague expert Michael Supotnitsky's homepage

post made on Oct. 31 by a "Dr. M", claiming to be testimonial of his own case of plague - may in fact be the Dr. Mikhail Nazarov mentioned by Supotnitsky

Supotnitsky, when asked if he believes Dr. Nazarov's story, says, "And why should not I believe him?"

So there may be something to it. What I've read from the researcher is enough to make me now think the story is probably true. I would like more evidence, but this is at least a little more than the "some doctors" (who wish to remain anonymous) mentioned in the Daily Mail.

The language barrier is making it extra challenging for me to get much progress made on this topic. I wanted to scour the above sources more carefully, especially Google Translate only seems to translate so much of a page at one time. And I simply don't have time today to finish putting all the facts and statements together. So anyone who wants to pick up where I left off, have at it!

For starters, here are some key Polish phrases a non-Polish speaker could put into Google Poland, and then Google Translate resulting pages:
Czarny płuc – black lungs; spalony – burned; samoloty – airplanes; świńską grypą - swine flu; świńskiej grypy – swine flu (another declension or whatever)

By the way, QuestioningAll, on her blog, I think mentions one of the above people's words on her blog but doesn't post the link due to fear of it being shut down. If you share her concern, especially in light of martial law over there right now, you might want to copy and paste the link instead of directly clicking on it. I don't want to make anything worse for anyone or unwittingly sabotage her efforts to spread information, either.

[edit on 21-11-2009 by invernal]


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 09:53 PM by randyvs
reply to post by ProudFossil





Look at what has happened when they killed 2,000 people with a single incident in 2001

Who exactly are you saying killed the 2000 in 2001. specifics.
( note: it was over 3000 total)
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