Ahh, that is just what we need, Viruses laughing at our pittyful attempts to kill them.

I am surprised that people in the 'know' are surprised, this has been warned about for a long time, it will be three waves.

People seem to forget this is 3 viruses, Human,Swine and Avian, so wave one is over, wave to has been going on for some months it seems, and wave three ? Ebola ? Flying Hiv ?

Why were there a town in China Quarantined in the summer time ?
What was the Kille Hiv/Ebola virus in Africa ?

Any connections ? Trial runs ?

Originally posted by ModernAcademia




It could really be a drug-resistant flu, but i'm just playing conspiracy guy here because the vaccine has been tested and vaccines as a whole have zero evidence that they prevent illenesses.

My first question is do you understand the difference between vaccine and drug in this context. They are saying that the three that died had the disease and did not respond to treatment with Tamiflu. Not that a vaccine would not have prevented these people from getting sick in the first place.

Second question is wtf? "vaccines as a whole have zero evidence that they prevent illenesses." Ever hear of Small Pox or Polio? Ever seen anyone vaccinated against them who got sick?

Originally posted by urwatu8
Second question is wtf? "vaccines as a whole have zero evidence that they prevent illenesses." Ever hear of Small Pox or Polio? Ever seen anyone vaccinated against them who got sick?

that's very flawed logic
i can just as well say that my father, mother, uncles, aunts, cousins and friends of theirs never got a vaccine and none of them got Polio.

Without tests backing you up what you are doing is drawing a conclusion from what is known as a fallacious syllogism

Polio and Measles died out by it self at the time the Vaccines were available, just a coincidence..

Not a wonder drug..

Originally posted by ChemBreather
Polio and Measles died out by it self at the time the Vaccines were available, just a coincidence..

Not a wonder drug..

They actually spontaneously implode when they come in contact, get it right. We're much safer with both as the evidence shows. Vaccines would have offset the delicate balance and either could have wiped us out.

Originally posted by ZombieOctopus

Originally posted by ChemBreather
Polio and Measles died out by it self at the time the Vaccines were available, just a coincidence..

Not a wonder drug..

They actually spontaneously implode when they come in contact, get it right. We're much safer with both as the evidence shows. Vaccines would have offset the delicate balance and either could have wiped us out.

Nope, your reaching, I dont know why, but those diseases were in a heavy decline when the Vaccines were introduced, you talked about facts ?

im editing, what are you talking about Balance ? We would ahve died out without vaccine and died out with vaccine with no disease ?

[edit on 20/11/2009 by ChemBreather]

I'm confused, Tamiflu is an anti-viral drug that retards the progression of symptoms, not the virus itself.

If Tamiflu worked to eliminate the flu virus then vaccines would serve no purpose.

This just sounds like more fear mongering.

-Dev

The reasons many childhood diseases has been "eradicated" is due to better health care and sanitation practices.

Most Childhood vaccines we have today are actually unnecessary and dangerous.

Still our children receive more vaccinations in this country than any other country in world and mortality rates doesn't justify them when compare to other countries that children receive less vaccinations.

When I found out that now new born are vaccinated after birth rather than when they are two weeks old I was appalled.

20 Nov 2009 20:42:10 GMT
Source: Reuters
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* Five H1N1 patients resistant to Tamiflu

* Possible person-to-person spread of resistant strain

LONDON, Nov 20 (Reuters) - British health officials are investigating the likely person-to-person spread of a drug-resistant strain of swine flu, the Health Protection Agency said on Friday.

There have been five confirmed cases in Wales of patients infected with H1N1 resistant to oseltamivir -- the generic name of Roche AG and Gilead Sciences Inc's antiviral drug Tamiflu, the agency said.

Four other patients are infected with H1N1 with the same genetic mutation but one was helped by Tamiflu and the status of three others is not clear. Another antiviral, GlaxoSmithKline and Biota Inc's Relenza, was effective in the patients, the HPA said.

The patients had serious conditions that suppressed their immune systems, which can give the virus a better than usual opportunity to develop resistance, the HPA added.

"Although further epidemiological investigation is underway, it would seem likely that transmission of oseltamivir-resitant H1N1 virus has taken place," it said in a statement. "At present we believe the risk to the general healthy population is low."

John McCauley of the Medical Research Council said the patients involved were in an at-risk group.

"It is well established that patients with immunodeficiency do have problems with eliminating virus, giving it a greater chance to acquire resistance," he said in a statement.

The World Health Organisation has reported 57 cases of Tamiflu resistance worldwide. There have not yet been any confirmed cases of person-to-person transmission, although a possible case in the United States is under investigation.

The British government launched a national pandemic flu service in July to allow people to get a diagnosis and prescription online or over the phone without visiting a doctor.

It said on Friday it was taking the development of a Tamiflu-resistant strain seriously but it would continue to offer the antiviral to all patients.

"Our strategy to offer antivirals to all patients with swine flu is the right one, to help prevent complications and reduce the severity of the illness," the Department of Health said in a statement.

British officials have confirmed the H1N1 virus has killed 214 people, but experts note that most people who are made sick by the virus are not tested.

A nationwide vaccination programme began last month, initially targeting those considered high risk, such as pregnant women and front-line healthcare workers.

Norwegian health authorities reported a mutation of H1N1 in some patients with severe disease but other officials noted quickly that other patients infected with the same mutant have had mild disease. [ID:nLK669768] (Reporting by Kylie MacLellan; editing by David Stamp)