Originally posted by squiz
Sorry I don't believe they meet the standards.
Sorry to disagree, but there you go.

Can you give a reason why?

1.Culture of putatively infected tissue.

2. Purification of specimens by density gradient ultracentrifugation.

3. Electron micrographs of particles exhibiting the morfological characteristics and dimensions (100-120 nm) of retroviral particles at the sucrose (or percoll) density of 1.16 gm/ml and containing nothing else, not even particles of other morphologies or dimensions.

4. Proof that the particles contain reverse transcriptase.

5. Analysis of the particles' proteins and RNA and proof that these are unique.

6. Proof that 1-5 are a property only of putatively infected tissues and can not be induced in control cultures. These are identical cultures, that is, tissues obtained from matched, unhealthy subjects and cultured under identical conditions differing only in that they are not putatively infected with a retrovirus.

7. Proof that the particles are infectious, that is when PURE particles are introduced into an uninfected culture or animal, the identical particle is obtained as shown by repeating steps 1-5.

And win your prize!!!!!!!!!

Otherwise, I suppose this thread is dead.

Originally posted by squiz
1.Culture of putatively infected tissue.

2. Purification of specimens by density gradient ultracentrifugation.

3. Electron micrographs of particles exhibiting the morfological characteristics and dimensions (100-120 nm) of retroviral particles at the sucrose (or percoll) density of 1.16 gm/ml and containing nothing else, not even particles of other morphologies or dimensions.

4. Proof that the particles contain reverse transcriptase.

5. Analysis of the particles' proteins and RNA and proof that these are unique.

6. Proof that 1-5 are a property only of putatively infected tissues and can not be induced in control cultures. These are identical cultures, that is, tissues obtained from matched, unhealthy subjects and cultured under identical conditions differing only in that they are not putatively infected with a retrovirus.

7. Proof that the particles are infectious, that is when PURE particles are introduced into an uninfected culture or animal, the identical particle is obtained as shown by repeating steps 1-5.

And win your prize!!!!!!!!!

Otherwise, I suppose this thread is dead.

All of these steps were followed in four fot he studies I posted and is standard practice in viral research.

I'll ask again, any reason those studies don't reach your "standards"? You obviously didn't read them, so please take a minute to do so.

There is no virus period

AIDS ( acquired immune deficiency syndrome ) is coused in people, whose T-cells stops reproducing

T-cells malfunction is coused by benzene in human organ - thymus

Benzene people get from everywhere - even condoms or lubricants (not even counting gay used vaseline and poppers or African drinking water/

No viruses has ever been isolated. They dont excist.

Originally posted by angelx666

There is no virus period

AIDS ( acquired immune deficiency syndrome ) is coused in people, whose T-cells stops reproducing

T-cells malfunction is coused by benzene in human organ - thymus

Benzene people get from everywhere - even condoms or lubricants (not even counting gay used vaseline and poppers or African drinking water/

No viruses has ever been isolated. They dont excist.

Please explain, then, why antiretroviral treatment causes AIDS patients to develop a higher titer of functioning T-cells, then.

Sorry just a layman, those are the conditions set.

Don't know what your trying to achieve.
If you are so sure of yourself, All you have to do is write it up with references and collect the prize.

How about I just agree with you, is that better?

As posted before much eggier heads than yours seem to think it hasn't been isolated. What's layman to do. Usually we pick the better qualified.

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Originally posted by squiz
Sorry just a layman, those are the conditions set.

Don't know what your trying to achieve.
If you are so sure of yourself, All you have to do is write it up with references and collect the prize.

How about I just agree with you, is that better.

As I stated earlier, I personally witnessed someone present papers to Mullis and ask him why he didn't believe them (this was at Vanderbilt two years ago while he was visiting the head of the medical school, a friend of his, apparently, and he gave an impromptu lecture on genetic medicine). When he was asked about hsi anti-HIV statement, he simply deflected the question, saying that he "didn't want to talk about it".

Obviously, this is just an anecdote, so I can't ask you to believe it. For me, however, it cemented my opinion that he's an opportunist who is unwilling to change his views when science contradicts him.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by angelx666

There is no virus period

AIDS ( acquired immune deficiency syndrome ) is coused in people, whose T-cells stops reproducing

T-cells malfunction is coused by benzene in human organ - thymus

Benzene people get from everywhere - even condoms or lubricants (not even counting gay used vaseline and poppers or African drinking water/

No viruses has ever been isolated. They dont excist.

Please explain, then, why antiretroviral treatment causes AIDS patients to develop a higher titer of functioning T-cells, then.

more drugs- more T-cells to fight, untill they all dies out (with the patient):

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How drugs breaks down immune system:
The white blood cells in a body attack anything that is non-itself, anything that is not native to the self. The ingestion of food is even attacked by the antibodies of the self, to break down the food, which makes it digestible and thus, energies are taken from the food and turned into energy for the body. They are called enzymes and in some cases, antibodies.

When there is a foreign body that does not break down easily, as with a disease of some type, the white blood cells around it attack it and destroy it in a kind of massive suicidal attempt or war, to rid the body of this particular foreign element.

The white blood cells do quite well with foreign objects that are introduced to the body, but when toxins such as drugs, vaccines, either recreational drugs or pharmaceutical drugs are introduced into the body, the white blood cells end up sacrificing themselves in great mass, with very little benefit or result against the toxins of these drugs and become weakened and the body has difficulty producing them fast enough to handle all the toxins that may be coming into the body.

.As time passes the body’s immune system becomes weaker and weaker because the white blood cells are the main part of the immune system.

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more drugs- more T-cells to fight, untill they all dies out (with the patient):

How would an antiretroviral drug produce more T-cells unless there was a retrovirus reducing their numbers in the first place? You understand that these drugs are designed to only target specific proteins found in HIV, right?

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

more drugs- more T-cells to fight, untill they all dies out (with the patient):

How would an antiretroviral drug produce more T-cells unless there was a retrovirus reducing their numbers in the first place? You understand that these drugs are designed to only target specific proteins found in HIV, right?

wat you talking about?

more drugs- more T-cells to fight toxins, you dont need those T-cels if you are healthy. T-cels is a responder to a disease or 'intruder agent'

hiv has never been isolated, therefor designer drugs, targeting 'unisolated/unexciting' whatever makes no other sense, but to make money

wat you talking about?

more drugs- more T-cells to fight toxins, you dont need those T-cels if you are healthy. T-cels is a responder to a disease or 'intruder agent'

You ALWAYS have a constant level of circulating T-cells in your body, which then elevate the immune response when you encounter a virus (which is nearly every day).

Taking antiretroviral drugs when you have a retrovirus infection (HIV) helps eliminate these viruses and prevents the destruction of your T-cells.

hiv has never been isolated

Yes, it has. Please see the dozen or so links I've posted throughout this thread.

therefor designer drugs, targeting 'unisolated/unexciting' whatever makes no other sense, but to make money

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here, there might be a word or words missing. Can you elaborate?

Right, let us when you've won it.

Here's what I learnt, the original papers leading up to the hypothesis still haven't been found. And that HIV has never been isolated to gold standard.

Originally posted by squiz
Right, let us when you've won it.

Here's what I learnt, the original papers leading up to the hypothesis still haven't been found. And that HIV has never been isolated to gold standard.

Then you must not have read anything I posted. Interesting. Even Dr. Duesberg has given his submission to Mr. Russell (the holder of the prize) for proving HIV exists, using Mr. Russell's standards, and was denied the prize for an unknown reason. Sounds fishy to me.

whatever, im no arguing with VneZonyDostupa , durak

probable angry at himself for wasting all years at medschool, we all been there.. at first..

let them isolate the 'virus' then and deal done !

Originally posted by angelx666
whatever, im no arguing with VneZonyDostupa , durak

probable angry at himself for wasting all years at medschool, we all been there.. at first..

let them isolate the 'virus' then and deal done !

I'm actually quite happy with the time I've spent in medical school. The feeling of knowing that I'm helping a complete stranger combat an illness, recover from a wound, or make life-improving nutritional changes in their life is a wonderful thing.

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by angelx666
whatever, im no arguing with VneZonyDostupa , durak

probable angry at himself for wasting all years at medschool, we all been there.. at first..

let them isolate the 'virus' then and deal done !

I'm actually quite happy with the time I've spent in medical school. The feeling of knowing that I'm helping a complete stranger combat an illness, recover from a wound, or make life-improving nutritional changes in their life is a wonderful thing.

yea, sure, nutrition by feeding with them toxic retrovirals, that grow buffalo hump on them

took your mirracle vaccine then yet ?