I'll probably get flamed by this by all the Neo-cons on ATS, so let the flaming begin.

It seems that since Obama has taken office that there has been a spike in Neo-con members registering. I think all the threads critical of Obama has attracted these folks.

For example, the Palin threads seem to be getting popular, which isn't likely because Palin isn't even very popular anyways, she has a Republican following but that's not much these days.

Anyways back to the point of the thread, it seems that the motto of ATS "deny ignorance' has gotten lost in the partisan bickering. I can go to a thread and throw facts around and be completely ignored simply because the neo-con doesn't agree with the facts, it's extremely frustrating.

Another example is the Bush thread that popped up a week or two ago, There were many people on that thread defending Bush's actions as president and deflecting on the subject to President Obama, they couldn't have a debate on Bush with out bringing up Obama.

I'm tired of the double standard that has became common on these forums over the past year.

The same people out there criticizing or bashing Obama's every move are the same people that still cling to the Neo-con policies that Bush and Palin represent.

I used to laugh about it, because they look just like the Obama supporters that still cling to him and think everything he does is right, but it's getting old.

And I see posts happily stating that America is going to take a hard right in the 4 years as election time comes, My question is this: Why is that a good thing, they are just two sides of the same coin, you either get Neo-con or Fascist socialist.

I'm flabbergasted at this turn of events, I figured being a member of ATS for as long as some have been would know better than to trust in the criminal two party system, but to some all that matters is the D or the R behind the name.

If Sarah Palin were a 350 pound woman she wouldn't have as nearly as many fans as she does today, sex sales, welcome to America folks.

This could be classified as a rant, but it does raise some important issues.

This isn't about defending Dems or Obama, i've said my piece on them.

[edit on 11/20/2009 by Uniceft17]

Completely agree. Everyone I knew hated when I was ripping on Bush on a daily basis. Today when I whine about Obama everyone jumps on the bashing bandwagon.

I was thinking about pretty much what you wrote yesterday.

The tea party movement was awesome, completely bipartisan. Suddenly Republicans jumped on the bandwagon mid February with some pretty raunchy anti-Obama slogans. I left the tea party movement with my tail between my legs after I saw that it had become a complete Republican orgy. The movement was completely derailed.

The birther movement, great cause, good premise. As soon as the Republicans saw that they could rip on a Democrat, they piled on the bandwagon and started bashing Obama. The cause was soon easily discredited as half the movement was racist imbreds and Bible thumping retards. Another great cause derailed!

Yes, neocons are going to join anywhere they see what they think is likeminded groups to join the mob. It is our duty to teach them, if they do not listen ignore them. Idiots like the people you are talking about is why I left the Republican party and joined the American Pirate and Dong Parties.

Completely agree. Everyone I knew hated when I was ripping on Bush on a daily basis. Today when I whine about Obama everyone jumps on the bashing bandwagon.

I was thinking about pretty much what you wrote yesterday.

The tea party movement was awesome, completely bipartisan. Suddenly Republicans jumped on the bandwagon mid February with some pretty raunchy anti-Obama slogans. I left the tea party movement with my tail between my legs after I saw that it had become a complete Republican orgy. The movement was completely derailed.

The birther movement, great cause, good premise. As soon as the Republicans saw that they could rip on a Democrat, they piled on the bandwagon and started bashing Obama. The cause was soon easily discredited as half the movement was racist imbreds and Bible thumping retards. Another great cause derailed!

Yes, neocons are going to join anywhere they see what they think is likeminded groups to join the mob. It is our duty to teach them, if they do not listen ignore them. Idiots like the people you are talking about is why I left the Republican party and joined the American Pirate and Dong Parties.

"I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.

This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.

The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it. "

George Washington's Farewell Address, (in part), 1796

At first I was just going to say exchange a few words to their opposite and you have pretty much every political post of the previous 5 years that bashed Bush, but you acknowledge that as well.

If Sarah Palin were a 350 pound woman she wouldn't have as nearly as many fans as she does today, sex sales, welcome to America folks.

Pretty much sums up the Palin Phenomena right there. But the majority of the backlash is the result of 8 years of Bush bashing coming home to roost, the anonymity of the internet and the inhibitions that exist in the psyche of youth.

Politics is like the old joke about "Doc it hurts when I do this..." so the people just switch to the other side of the coin expecting a different result.

It is all empty words and broken promises. 40 acres and a mule, chicken in every pot, better life for your children than you had...

Completely agree. Everyone I knew hated when I was ripping on Bush on a daily basis. Today when I whine about Obama everyone jumps on the bashing bandwagon.

I was thinking about pretty much what you wrote yesterday.

The tea party movement was awesome, completely bipartisan. Suddenly Republicans jumped on the bandwagon mid February with some pretty raunchy anti-Obama slogans. I left the tea party movement with my tail between my legs after I saw that it had become a complete Republican orgy. The movement was completely derailed.

The birther movement, great cause, good premise. As soon as the Republicans saw that they could rip on a Democrat, they piled on the bandwagon and started bashing Obama. The cause was soon easily discredited as half the movement was racist imbreds and Bible thumping retards. Another great cause derailed!

Yes, neocons are going to join anywhere they see what they think is likeminded groups to join the mob. It is our duty to teach them, if they do not listen ignore them. Idiots like the people you are talking about is why I left the Republican party and joined the American Pirate and Dong Parties.

UGH, TRIPLEPOST? Can a mod please delete the last 3 posts by me?

Here's to some of the Crappiest internet in the USA

It is interesting about Palin... she has the Republicans cringing...the Democrats terrified... Why? Because she is not part of the establishment that includes both of them.
You may say her popularity is just because she is an attractive lady, however I think it is because she represents a departure from the gang of liars, cheats, and thieves that morphs between the Bushes and Ozeros.

My only trouble with the conservatives is they refuse to understand it is impossible to legislate morality...that it must be taught in the home and the schools. Which is exactly the pro-lifers..who are in my opinion the single biggest reason we have the empty suit in the White House today.

Originally posted by expat2368
It is interesting about Palin... she has the Republicans cringing...the Democrats terrified... Why? Because she is not part of the establishment that includes both of them.
You may say her popularity is just because she is an attractive lady, however I think it is because she represents a departure from the gang of liars, cheats, and thieves that morphs between the Bushes and Ozeros.

My only trouble with the conservatives is they refuse to understand it is impossible to legislate morality...that it must be taught in the home and the schools. Which is exactly the pro-lifers..who are in my opinion the single biggest reason we have the empty suit in the White House today.

I agree with your assessment of Palin's popularity. Problem is most of them don't really understand that no matter who sits in the Oval Office, they do the bidding of those pulling the strings, so Palin wouldn't be much different if she ever got elected.

The Republicans want to legislate morality and the Democrats want to tax us to death for their special interests. Both parties have done some good things and both parties have done some atrocious things. They all need to be taken out behind the barn for a little "talk".

The changes that really need to be made will never happen because there is NO ONE in Congress that wants things to change. They like the money and power that comes will the job and they are not going to give that up without a fight. They will continue to take their bribes from special interest groups, they will continue to ignore the American people, they will continue to demonize those that stand in opposition and, most likely, the majority of the American people will just take what they hand out til one of these days they are living in a country they don't even recognize.

Originally posted by expat2368
It is interesting about Palin... she has the Republicans cringing...the Democrats terrified... Why? Because she is not part of the establishment that includes both of them.
You may say her popularity is just because she is an attractive lady, however I think it is because she represents a departure from the gang of liars, cheats, and thieves that morphs between the Bushes and Ozeros.

Sarah is a Neo-con, can you tell me which policies she disagreed with Bush or McCain on? The wars? Tax policy? Social Policy? Anything important?

My only trouble with the conservatives is they refuse to understand it is impossible to legislate morality...that it must be taught in the home and the schools. Which is exactly the pro-lifers..who are in my opinion the single biggest reason we have the empty suit in the White House today.

What makes you think she is any different than that?

Originally posted by expat2368
It is interesting about Palin... she has the Republicans cringing...the Democrats terrified... Why? Because she is not part of the establishment that includes both of them.
You may say her popularity is just because she is an attractive lady, however I think it is because she represents a departure from the gang of liars, cheats, and thieves that morphs between the Bushes and Ozeros.

This is is exactly the same kind of thing people said about Obama. That he was an "outsider" and would bring real "change." They were overly excited about the fact he was a black man.

Now you see the same kind of shallow identity politics with Palin. "Oooh, she's an attractive Pentecostal woman. Edgy!" It's just putting the same lipstick on a different pig. Palin is dumb as a rock and would just be putty in the hands of the moneymen, the military-industrial crowd, the internationalists...in short, the same people who play Obama like a harp.

Not one thing would change. Not one single thing. Except we would contrinue to try to deny reality as it the collapse continues, and will continue, whoverver happens to be sitting in the oval office.

Two sides, same rotten nickel-plated devalued coin.

Sarah Palin supported the bailout.

Sarah Palin supports cutting taxes for corporations.

What else is there you need to know?

double post.

[edit on 11/23/2009 by Uniceft17]