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Topic started on 19-11-2009 @ 11:35 PM by plumranch

Approval of President Obama Hits New Low


www.foxnews.com

President Obama's approval rating has hit a new low of 46 percent, according to a FOX News poll released Thursday. An equal number -- 46 percent -- disapprove of the job he's doing.

Breaking down the numbers by political party shows how sharply split American voters are over the president's job performance. While 85 percent of Democrats approve of their party leader, 80 percent of Republicans and 51 percent of independents disapprove.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:45 PM by plumranch
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Gallup Daily Ratings give slightly better ration of 50/46 Approval/ Disapproval

So Obama has another first. In one year his ratings have gone so low they look like Bush's in his 2nd term!


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 12:14 AM by TheWalkingFox
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In related news, President Barack Obama still maintains lowest disapproval rate in US history. Shares Disapproval rate and democraphics with four-term president Franklin Delano Roosevelt, famed for ending the Great Depression and saving the goddamn world.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 12:30 AM by dolphinfan
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Its a bit subtler than that. There is no real action on jobs because the result is tangible - folks go to work. It can be measured. The conflict here is that in order to actually pragmatic on the jobs front, he would have to cut taxes and make strong statements about the free market to begin to help build confidence in the economy. He won't do that because he is fundamentally a marxist and has surrounded himself by marxists. Glen Beck is not fabricating the statements from senior advisiors who make and have made for years blatantly marxist statements and many of them subsequent to them being appointed to their current posts.

I think he is a lame duck already. By any account, if he does become a lame duck, he will be the last to know and when he finds out, he'll be surprised and feel cheated.
Healthcare is different. It is an intangible. It is a piece of paper that as written will not deliver any benefit until 2013, after the next presidential election.

In other words, he is touting healthcare because he can get the bill signed and take credit for getting something done that by definition won't be done until he is out of office after his second term. He's not talking about the economy because he could, but won't do anything about it without alienating his base and if he does that the approval rating would be in the 20s.

Unless an event happens that he can rise to he will not consistently be over 50 until he is out of office. If he continues to "govern" the way he is, he will continue to drop.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 12:41 AM by TheWalkingFox
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I love free market job theory. It's so ludicrous. It's like watching Gene Ray and Sarah Palin beat each other up with ded squids, it cracks me up so much.

When the markets are "freed" - that is, regulations are cut - the result is a plummet in the job sector. In the United States, in the UK, in chile, Argentina, the Ukraine, China, South Africa, everywhere that "free market theory" has taken root, the immediate result is a loss of jobs and a loss of buying power by those who retain jobs.

And the refrain for fixing this problem? "More free markets!" - Milton Friedman's famous assertion was that his free market ideas weren't working because the markets weren't free enough - that is, his ideas are an all-or nothing equation, which makes no logical sense whatsoever - He was basically just trying to keep from being proven wrong.

Free market theory is false. There is no invisible hand. The results of this ludicrous, childish idea has, the world over, been an increase in poverty and joblessness.

Of course, it remains popular because actually learning how economics really work is just too damn hard for the rank and file idiots of the United States to bother with. it might mean like, reading a book or some junk.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 12:55 AM by endisnighe
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Excuse me, I may have read 1 or 2 books in my life.

I may have also ran 1 or 2 businesses in my life. If we do not stop the exportation of work in the US, we will not have a US very soon.

Is this their purpose in their economic strategy? I am not talking about Obama but the government in general.

Keep the Obama slash Dem slash Repub slash progressive slash conservative slash etc crap going. You are empowering your own destruction.

Idiocy is as idiocy does. We the people need to work together to destroy the elitist's agenda-the enslavement of the entire world, and their ultimate goal-one world government.

But keep up the idiocy, not just you, but me and everyone else. We must stop their plan!


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 01:35 AM by dolphinfan
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I'm sorry that you don't like the free market. Get over it. The free market is the only economic system proven to both maximize the freedom of people and grow prosperity of the people in the nation-state that employs a free market system. Now you may be looking to extrapolate the whole poverty deal to a global scale and suggest that it is the free market that drives one nation-state to exploit others, but that is a different thread.

The alternatives to a free market, communism and it's baby brother, socialism have not shown an ability to be a sustainable economic model. Both have considerably less freedom of the individual and significant class/caste structure. Funny how the kids of good "Party Members" in China have no trouble getting into top universitys in China while the farmer's kid will be stuck pulling rice out of a marsh for the rest of his days, isn't it?

Now, I guess is the time to bring the social democracys of Europe as examples of where we should strive. Funny. In those countries which are more socialist, their societys are far more homogeneous than the US. By definition, the more homogeneous a society the stronger the social contract - it is basic human psychology. In the social democracys that are very diverse, France and Germany, they are moving away from a large state and toward more of a market oriented system. Take a look at the talking to Merkel and Sarkozy gave to Obama about his massive deficits and their abject rejection of more stimulus. They are moving to markets and we are moving to more state control. In those European countrys that have had massive state controlled economys, but are less diverse, they are cutting back sharply on immigration because the level of immigration and the resulting increase in diversity is degrading the social contract and making their current systems untenable. A month ago the Swedish PM stated that the economic system in Sweden and the level of government was not sustainable and that they were going to take steps to move to a more market orriented economy.

Now we get to the tired old bit about how "free market" = wild unregulated capitalism. That is immature and as you know inncorrect. There are many significant roles for the government in the regulation of a free market economy. Those critical regulatory bodys failed miserably over the past several years which was one of the largest contributors to the current economic problems we have. They failed for a myriad of reasons by the way. They did not fail because folks in the government wanted Wall Street to run amok and held back regulatory oversight on purpose. Now after a year since the banks broke the buck on their money market funds and major financial institutions have failed we don't have a single regulatory enhancement in place other than some dude who looks at the paychecks of investment bankers. Terrific. What we have right now is a situation where the government is moving to more government which directly reduces the freedom of every American. While that movement is underway, nothing has been done to strengthen the regulatory bodys that are looking over the financial institutions. What that means is that fewer folks will get rich and more folks will be poor. Hey! Wait a minute. That sounds like communism. OK that explains everything.


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 02:45 AM by plumranch
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When the markets are "freed" - that is, regulations are cut - the result is a plummet in the job sector. In the United States, in the UK, in chile, Argentina, the Ukraine, China, South Africa, everywhere that "free market theory" has taken root, the immediate result is a loss of jobs and a loss of buying power by those who retain jobs.


Wow! OMG! You need to take some economics classes so you can understand how jobs are created. Why do you think China is doing so well now? It's because the communists have backed away from their hardline policies toward a freer market. Why is India finally improving economically? It's because the government has moved toward a freer market. Why do oppressed people all over the world try so desperately to come to the United States? It's because we have more economic freedom! Someone who starts off with nothing can become wealthy if he/she works hard. The rags to riches story is still alive in the United States at least for now! Thank God!


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 11:43 AM by plumranch
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If business owners and ceos are corrupt or cannot run a business then they should be allowed to fail so that a morally right business can spring up in its place.


People get upset over large corporations but it is small business that generate well over half the new jobs especially now in a recession:How important are small businesses to the U.S. economy?
Small firms: • Represent 99.7 percent of all employer firms. • Employ just over half of all private sector employees. • Pay 44 percent of total U.S. private payroll. • Have generated 64 percent of net new jobs over the past 15 years. • Create more than half of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP). • Hire 40 percent of high tech workers (such as scientists, engineers, and computer programmers). • Are 52 percent home-based and 2 percent franchises. • Made up 97.3 percent of all identified exporters and produced 30.2 percent of the known export value in FY 2007. • Produce 13 times more patents per employee than large patenting firms; these patents are twice as likely as large firm patents to be among the one percent most cited.



reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 03:05 AM by plumranch
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I suspect the next president will be decided by texting your vote at the end of a debate, with dramatic results the following week to see which canidate goes to the bottom 3


Better watch Crazy Eyes Pelosi and Dead Walking Reid as they may include a provision for "TESTING YOUR VOTE" in the next 2000 page legislation they ram through the house and senate in spite of overwhelming opposition!

Aren't Democrats just great when they are in complete control of House, Sentate and POTUS? Crazy Liberalism Forever!!
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