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Topic started on 19-11-2009 @ 09:41 PM by Rockpuck
Officer on leave after shooting 12 year old girl with beanbag gun

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A Portland Police officer investigated in the death of James Chasse has been placed on administrative leave after shooting a 12-year-old girl in the thigh with a beanbag gun during an incident at a MAX stop Saturday night.

Officer Christopher Humphrey shot the girl with a beanbag gun after she attacked officers trying to arrest her, police Chief Rosie Sizer said Thursday.


What makes this different then almost any case shown here on ATS is this:

“After reviewing the video, I am troubled by it," Chief Sizer said as she announced that Officer Humphreys had been placed on paid administrative leave. Sizer said the Internal Affairs Division would conduct an immediate and full investigation into whether the use of force was justified.

"The actions I witnessed on the video are not consistent with my expectations and what I believe are the community's expectations for a Portland police Officer," said Police Commissioner Dan Saltzman.


There are two videos in the news article, I highly advise watching the SECOND video clip: Addy here

www.kgw.com...

I was actually talking to an officer downtown just last week about his beanbag shotgun .. in the second video clip that I linked you see the officer swining a shotgun around .. it IS a real shotgun, if you put a shell in it, it would fire. These are packed with bean bag rounds, firing at the same rate as a shotgun only less lethal (I say less, not nonlethal) The Shotgun is painted a bright orange color. This is so as not to scare passengers when the Transit Officers carry it or have to use it.

There are THREE officer in the video, taking down a 12 year old girl! You can see almost point blank the shotgun is used. I was told by the cop I was talking to it leaves a nasty bruise and welt, depending on how far away you are and where it hits, they can break bones like ribs. I cannot imagine what the effects were this close to a 12 year old girl..

I deal with Transit and Portland cops almost everyday at my job, and almost all of them are very nice people, but every once in a while you do get a gun-ho jackass.. I don't know whether to say this is a case of poor judgment or pure cruelty.

www.kgw.com...

[edit on 11/19/2009 by Rockpuck]


reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 10:03 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by LadySkadi



True.. but three officers couldn't take down a feisty 12 year old girl? Common.. And yes, the MAX has an exclusion of 30-180 days and a 2 year warning period for first offenses.

All Transit Officer carry OC (Pepper Spray) .. which I am sure would have been much more appropriate than a close range shot with a beanbag..


reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:56 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by LadySkadi



I think the Chasse case has quite a bit to do with this. An officer that "accidentally" killed another human being is now found guilty of using extreme force at very close distance to a very young minor. It kind of puts into perspective that perhaps this specific officer needs to be let go.. he's a danger to society quite honestly. Those shotguns are not meant to be used at such close distance, if he had hit her in the head she could very well have been critically injured, even killed.. keep in mind it's a 12 year old girl. Either way with this case and the Chasse case, the city is going to throw him under the bus. You can mess up once and cost the city 1million dollars.. you can't mess up again two years later and result in another lawsuit (which undoubtedly this one will)


reply posted on 20-11-2009 @ 09:23 PM by Raist
reply to post by LadySkadi



I agree with your post fully on this.

I am not bashing cops at all and often defend them here on ATS when it is needed. This cop though seems to have some sort of anger issues. Maybe the stress of the job is getting to him if so he should have sought out some sort of counseling to help him through it.

I also wonder what a young kid girl or boy is doing at a party such as this as well. In my opinion they are certainly guilty of something and I would say some of those party members need to be looked into for may be having sex with minors.

Raist



reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 12:50 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by LadySkadi



I just read this .. absolutely amazing.. a Police Commissioner actually sides with the public, and what happens? The Officers revolt.


A Portland Police Union spokesperson reacted angrily to the decision, saying the Police Chief and Commissioner were treating Humphreys unfairly. Union officials said they were outraged complained that the Commissioner and police chief were over-reacting because of Humphreys' involvement in another controversial case.

"Had they not already had the predetermined bias against officer Humphreys we would not be here today," Scott Westerman with the Portland Police Association said. "She was shot in the leg. That is appropriate. It's trained. It's taught."

www.kgw.com...

Actually.. the bean bag gun is meant to be used at longer ranges. In fact, they even have SCOPES on the shotguns.. this idiot used it practically point blank..

There has been little to no reaction from the public.

It should also be pointed out that the gun is used as a last resort before you pull your real gun. In any case an officer uses the beanbag gun on someone, it should have been in a situation where he otherwise would have had to use his real gun.

So the officer shooting the 12 year old girl on the ground is saying had he not had the gun he would have shot the girl dead. They carry an assortment of other weapons that are much less dangerous than the guns .. like pepper spray (oc). Or, I don't know..... three grown men?


[edit on 11/21/2009 by Rockpuck]


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 12:59 AM by Rockpuck


Johny Knoxvile getting shot by a beanbag shot .. from a good distance away at that. Imagine a 12 year old girl at very close range and no protective gear.


reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 03:36 PM by Rockpuck
Beanbag cop on paid leave files stress disability claim

He's getting paid to not come to work and is now claiming disability because of the .. stress.. the investigation has caused him ...

www.kgw.com...

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The Portland police officer on paid leave for firing a beanbag shotgun round at point blank range and striking a 12-year-old girl in the thigh has filed a stress disability claim, according to the Oregonian.




reply posted on 21-11-2009 @ 09:12 PM by Rockpuck
reply to post by factbeforefiction



I've found Liberal are far more authoritarian than Conservatives.. true Conservatives (not Republicans which are religious Socialist) .. by nature Conservatives have to oppose government intervention in our lives, where as the Liberals scream for Government to micro manage their lives. This supposed "Progressive" city has some major issues.
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