The Senate Health Care Bill Cost: 27,387 per person!, page 2

you must not have noted the fact that those were just some numbers.... it was in truth sarcasm.... the point was anyone can just take a set bunch of numbers and multiply or divide.... What you wont see in those equations are the Increase in the amount of the poor over the next 10 years ...

www.euronews.net...

i dont see it getting better....

It also doesnt show the cost of the increased amount of hospital visits due to the fact that people have healthcare they didnt before


Look you can do math we know... but your not taking into account variables..... now if you had some x's and y's youd be looking better

Funny thing the study they are talking about was done on Patients that filed bankruptcy.... 60 percent of bankruptcy in PATIENTS is attributed to medical expenses

see here

www.cnn.com...

Another harvard taught Physician from the same organization that the doctor in your link founded.... was the one to conduct the study ... lets dissect quotes

""That was actually the predominant problem in patients in our study -- 78 percent of them had health insurance, but many of them were bankrupted anyway because there were gaps in their coverage like co-payments and deductibles and uncovered services," says Woolhandler"

as well a non partisan research company said the numbers cant be accurate

"However, Peter Cunningham, Ph.D., a senior fellow at the Center for Studying Health System Change, a nonpartisan policy research organization in Washington, D.C., isn't completely convinced. He says it's often hard to tell in which cases medical bills add to the bleak financial picture without being directly responsible for the bankruptcies.
"I'm not sure that it is correct to say that medical problems were the direct cause of all of these bankruptcies," he says. "In most of these cases, it's going to be medical expenses and other things, other debt that is accumulating.""

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Originally posted by conspiracyrus
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no i forgot to include that you arbitrarily come up with equations when they aren't supported by evidence

I don't think you really care about evidence... However it is evident that the private industry is profiting just fine and NOT passing along savings to consumers.

If you would like I can provide EVIDENCE to the current inflationary model and watch as it compounds over the next 50 years.

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Yes you arbitrarily make equations and call them fact... refer to my above postings

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My favorite thing about the healthcare debate:

The same people who are now screaming about the Stupak Amendment as an 'infringement' on their rights and the government 'coming in between' decisions that should be between them and their doctor- where the same people who never raised an eyebrow when Obama talked about replacing a pacemaker with a pain-pill or the attacks during the joint session on the decision making capability of medical professionals, and who can forget the fact that the whole "cost saving" premise since day-1 of this reform has been the government coming between decisions it finds 'wasteful.'

I was unaware that abortion was the sole medical choice between a person and her doctor. I was under the silly impression that all medical procedures and decisions were awarded the same respect. +1 for major hypocrisy.

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Janky Red

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Yes you arbitrarily make equations and call them fact... refer to my above postings

Who's calling them facts? I have always stated my equations represent the information
I have, which does not account for inflation or the likes. However it does provide a clear picture based upon current trends. At the end of the day you don't really care about the financial implications of HC on this country or you would SEE that the trend is OUT OF CONTROL, before having to do any math you would GET IT.

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and of course you can provide your equations and your postulations about trends that you are speculating on without providing any real economical facts that's fine. Just don't try and pass it off as if you' calculated the the amount of job loss and the amount of inflation of our currency or the rise in hospital visits... because that doesn't concern you, you just want to rattle off numbers to make yourself look more intelligent than you really are

Originally posted by conspiracyrus
reply to post by Janky Red

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and of course you can provide your equations and your postulations about trends that you are speculating on without providing any real economical facts that's fine. Just don't try and pass it off as if you' calculated the the amount of job loss and the amount of inflation of our currency or the rise in hospital visits... because that doesn't concern you, you just want to rattle off numbers to make yourself look more intelligent than you really are

No you got the equation wrong - you are acting dumber than you really are.
I never calculated job loss, monetary inflation or "rise in hospital visits".

But the fact remains that YOU don't know the impact on jobs.

Inflation would make the private sector healthcare MORE expensive - thanks

And typically a RISE in any business decreases cost because there is MORE competition
creating a demand for lower cost services with a larger market share being the reward for lower costs. Private entities will have to streamline to meet demand and competition .
Anyhow I thought you do not have health insurance?

If that is correct hopefully your state will opt out and you don't land some serious condition. I think your blind eye to the HC problem in America is because you have not yet faced it, I hope you can remain in your current state of IGNORance for years to come. It is sad that you do not equate this issue with living AMERICANS




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thats my point you dont take into account economical factors... you dont get it its ok leave it alone

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