What a way to turn neighbor against neighbor, no wonder society can never be allowed to come together to fight back what governments has been doing to them.

This is the biggest conspiracy of all time.

I know, what has happened to the days when community was the norm?

I miss the neigbourly BBQ's, the togetherness! All of which has been stripped over the years with division and conditioning of the mind. We are no longer a unit of peoples together for the common fight. It often makes me wonder that the reason for our poor immigration in the U.K is due to the systematic break down of what is is to be British! We are so diverse within our culture that alot of people cant't answer that question because they have simply forgot.

We live in sad times and the only thing that can win this war is UNITY and to be honest i cant see it coming, can you?

Ironic that they consider the dumbing down of education, free-speech and right to protest "Anti-Social", yet these council workers can wander into any house they want and fit camera's around the place without even telling anyone.
I wonder really who is the Anti-Social ones here, the ones who spy on us, or us who spy on them?

Some of the cars in our road were scratched by some yobs on their way home from the pub, the police (if you can call PCSOs police) kept coming round asking us to get some cameras fitted and trained on the cars/each others houses..

So I'm not suprised by this, my suprise is that it hasn't happened before now.

Edit to add, since the police where no help, some locals had a word with the youths in question... issue sorted without the need of cameras, police or violence :-)

Although one of our local judges thinks there are other ways to sort these issues out without the need of cameras ;-)

A judge stunned a court by backing two sons who injured a yob after he damaged their mum's car. Anthony Scott-Gall, 63, said "I'm not surprised he was given a good kicking, it's what he deserved. "If someone punched my car then I would make sure, if I had two sons, that he was given more of a good kicking." Then he added: "But possibly not, having regard to the job one holds down."

[edit on 19/11/09 by thoughtsfull]

Firstly you might want to add a word or two to your title, it looks pretty scary at the moment.

As for the topic, whilst i think it's a bad idea having more and more CCTV cameras around us, you can't blame some people for welcoming them if it keeps the less desirables away from their homes.

Lets face it, the police here aren't able to do much these days, and when they do it's not enough for the little 's, so i can see why this plan might be welcomed by some.

I wonder if they ever thought of investing the £1000 per camera in activities and projects for the kids instead? Instead of watching the youth of today get into trouble, give them some incentive to stay out of it.

CX.

[edit on 19/11/09 by CX]

Originally posted by ROBL240
Ironic that they consider the dumbing down of education, free-speech and right to protest "Anti-Social", yet these council workers can wander into any house they want and fit camera's around the place without even telling anyone.
I wonder really who is the Anti-Social ones here, the ones who spy on us, or us who spy on them?

I agree the educational system is full of "repeaters" with no authority, which only leads to poor education and dumbed down minds.

What happened to the state serving the people? Instead your born to serve the state! Think we should start spying on them, give them a taste of their own medicine...........!

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Some of the cars in our road were scratched by some yobs on their way home from the pub, the police (if you can call PCSOs police) kept coming round asking us to get some cameras fitted and trained on the cars/each others houses..

So I'm not suprised by this, my suprise is that it hasn't happened before now.

Then why cant the police get off their dognut eating backsides, away from watching The Bill and get out policing the streets at Pub Closing time (or any other night of the week when theres trouble), and actually earn their keep.
You can argue you have to pay for a officer on the street, but you still have to pay someone to be watching the camera's, and noone can watch 50 camera's at once. Only when a crime has been commited do they respond by which time its too late. If there out on the street already its a deterrent.

Originally posted by CX
Firstly you might want to add a word or two to your title, it looks pretty scary at the moment.

As for the topic, whilst i think it's a bad idea having more and more CCTV cameras around us, you can't blame some people for welcoming them if it keeps the less desirables away from their homes.

Lets face it, the police here aren't able to do much these days, and when they do it's not enough for the little 's, so i can see why this plan might be welcomed by some.

I wonder if they ever thought of investing the £1000 per camera in activities and projects for the kids instead? Instead of watching the youth of today get into trouble, give them some incentive to stay out of it.

CX.

[edit on 19/11/09 by CX]

Firstly thanks for the heads up on the title.

The clever thing about this totalitarian soon to be EU government is that as David Icke states they use the "Problem, reaction, solution" scenario extremley well to suit their agenda, as you state some people will welcome it.

But what they don't realise is that its the state thats manipulated the society into what we see today.......sadly its no accident but merely a well executed plan....

Oh, they just wanted the digital images of the crime after the event.. nothing about prevention, this is never about prevention in any shape or form.

I bet the cameras the council put up are not about prevention either.. just see what they can spy on.. we truly are heading towards an Orwellian state here in the UK

Yes i think Mr Orwell will be turning in his grave......!

Telescreens

Is anti social behaviour walking outside at night? I love the night, I don't understand why it is anti social.

I wonder who came up with such a great plan. Not original, true. But still - it had to be approved at some level. So who is the person who thought "Hey here is a great idea. Lets put camera in people homes". Not only it has more potential damage then potential benefit, it's also idiotic. Who exactly is going to look through all tens millions of homes in UK? Manpower needs for this project,even with top technology , are overwhelming. Same amount of cops added on the streets would cut the crime much more then random daily snooping.
And "1984" should be taught in schools world wide.

Surely this is a good way to get people used to having cameras in their home. At first it is offered as a solution to a problem outside the home and maybe after a while when people are used to them the cameras could be used to monitor inside as well. You know for 'our safety'

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
Surely this is a good way to get people used to having cameras in their home. At first it is offered as a solution to a problem outside the home and maybe after a while when people are used to them the cameras could be used to monitor inside as well. You know for 'our safety'

Yeah the term us Brits like to use is "Slowly, slowly catch the monkey"

Originally posted by DrHammondStoat
Surely this is a good way to get people used to having cameras in their home. At first it is offered as a solution to a problem outside the home and maybe after a while when people are used to them the cameras could be used to monitor inside as well. You know for 'our safety'

And if you don't want one they will say you must be a secret paedophile, wanting to stay hidden, and take your children off you.

I do not mind CCTV and I have a bank of low light digital armoured cameras positioned outside my house front and back.

They are so strong they can withstand a direct hit with a nine millimeter round and a sledgehammer will not phase them. I was told by the men who installed them that this level of camera tends to be used in prisons.

Of course if anyone decides to start banging away at my cameras with a handgun then I have problems but I liked the idea of bullet proof cameras at the time I was looking for a good camera system so what can I say?

My cameras so far have detected a burglar, an assault and a car vandalism in progress and several jehovah's witnesses swooping in to "talk" to me at my door... My cameras are camouflaged out of sight and they can see in low light.

So far they have been worth every penny because I am a security nut and I have peace of mind!

You cannot beat them so you might as well join them - with panache

[edit on 19-11-2009 by SmokeJaguar67]