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Former evangelist: Religious right is 'trawling for assassins'

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posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Rockstrongo37
Brother, this whole thread is simply stupid. Go through our nations history and find all the accounts of "christians" killing presidents, lol. Really, is this all the "christian" haters out there have? Rachel Madow? I guess you will find what you want to find, but that wont be the truth...christians dont go around killiing people that dissagree with them...that is the hard facts...you will find a nut years ago who killed an abortion dr., but if thats all you have then you have a pretty flimsy case against a couple hundred million americans who claim christianity as their faith. Deal with your personal anger against the church in america and learn some tolerance for others beliefs. Tolerance isnt just for the left.


Star for you. Outstanding post. The left is always complaining about the need for tolerance of other life styles but it does not seem to apply if you are a conservative or christian. Why is that?




posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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These folks need to be careful about what they're doing. It could easily backfire on them.

While I doubt that quoting the verse in itself is a "threat", it does create a dangerous potential for some misguided or confused soul to try to make it happen. Those who endorsed the sentiment would be guilty, even if they didn't actually pull the trigger.

This psalm continues:


Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg:
let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.
Let the extortioner catch all that he hath;
and let the strangers spoil his labor.
Let there be none to extend mercy unto him:
neither let there be any to favor his fatherless children.


Lovely.


As he loved cursing,
so let it come unto him:
as he delighted not in blessing,
so let it be far from him.


I wonder if these folks realize that what they're doing is cursing, and that they're just asking for the same fate they're wishing on Obama...



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 03:00 PM
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Right you are. This is complete distortion of the facts. The bumper stickers, tee shirts, etc.. have "Pray for Obama-Psalm 109:8" printed on them.

Pslam 109:8 states: 'Let his days be few and let another take his office'

Pslam 109:9 states: 'Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow'

As far as I can tell there are no bumber stickers or tee shirts that say "Pray for Obama-Psalm 109:9"

And the liberal media accuses Fox News of distorting the facts.

This entire story is fabricated BS. Rachael Maddow is nothing but a shill for the liberal democrats.




[edit on 11/19/2009 by Erasurehead]



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 03:02 PM
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But they were not quoting all of Psalms 109 only 109:8. There is no need to bring the rest of that scripture in as only one verse is quoted.

This is a common secular problem. When one quotes scripture they only quote what is given not the rest of the chapter. They quote only what is given so we know where to start and where to end. Either read the quote as it is given or don’t bother reporting on it.

It is no wonder people dislike Christians when they don’t even understand what they dislike. The media is making a story about scripture that is not even being quoted to cause anger and mistrust throughout the nation.

Raist



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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Here's the thing that people seem to be forgetting.

The bumper sticker reads: Psalm 109:8

Period.

They are not referring to verse 9 at all. Period. Or any other verse for that matter.

Are you prepared, when quoting and/or referring to one line or verse of anything, to be held responsible for the message of the ENTIRE book / song / article / psalm / anything.

I can think of quite a few times on ATS that members referred to a particular sentence from speech, and chose to debate that sentence or quote, and not the speech as a whole. In fact, there are times that politicians that we are against as a whole, can say things that we can support. Choosing to support a certain sentence, idea, or phrase, certainly doesn't imply that one is supporting EVERYTHING to come out of said politician's mouth. Just as quoting ONE verse, doesn't imply the person is supportive of ALL verses.

The bumper sticker doesn't take anything out of context, it was quoted correctly, and by itself does nothing to threaten the safety of the President.

Now...to argue that someone make look at the NEXT line, and act upon that....well they could have done that anyway. What if some quoted something else from the bible and another decided it was a call to action to read the entire bible and act on it. They wouldn't be responsible for that, now would they?

It will be interesting to see where -- if anywhere -- this goes. Talk about a slippery slope....



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 03:23 PM
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I don't think that the religious right is trolling for assassins.

They can afford to hire a competent one for pity's sake!

The Liberal left though might be trying to exploit the religious right for political gain, in their own leftist way thinking it's the rightest thing to do.

The President of the United States is the most protected man in the world.

They only get shot or assissinated when they screw up and step out of line with their Corporate Masters.

When the Corporate Masters have to kill one or shoot one they always have a plausible patsy with a plausible motive to set up.

The good news is that when they get tired of Obama (I know we all are but they aren't) they will just expose his real birth certificate and sit back and watch the rioting in the streets unfold.

Political theatre is so funny. When will people ever learn that our President's don't work for we the people but they the corporations.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by HotSauce
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Don't you realize that this is the typcal lefty tactic of demonizing anyone that has the gall to disagree with their genius.

They love to find one bad apple and try to paint the whole group of people in this light. For instance:

1. one out of a thousand people at a protest is low class enough to bring a sign that paints Obama as Hitler. Then the lefties say look the whole tea party is a bunch of Nazi wannabe's.

2. a few abortion nuts gun down a doctor and how does the left interpret it? The say the whole pro-life and christiant movement are nothing but fundamentalist zealots who are equal to a bunch of self exploing terrorists.



Do you even sense the irony in your claims? You use the same ludicrously broad brush to paint "all lefties" as a monolithic group that paints "all righties" as a monolithic group. Funny, no?

As for the point of this thread. I do think there is a more earnest desire on the extreme right to see something happen to President Obama than there ever was on the extreme left towards President Bush. I don't deny there were plenty of whack jobs who wanted something bad to happen to Bush, but they were whack jobs and not given front and center media attention to propagate their ideas.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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I think you are misinformed to think preachers don't murder people.

Preacher-Turned-Reality Star Charged With Murdering Former Porn Actress

Preacher Charged with Murder, DUI

First Murder Charge in '64 Civil Rights Killings of 3

Evangelical Preacher Arrested for Murder of Wife Found in Freezer

Travelling preacher charged with murder of Alta. pastor's daughter

Naked 'Preacher' Subdued With Taser Charged With Murder

I could go on all day with posting preachers killing rapeing and torturing. You can search for yourself for some more if you don't believe the post above.

www.alltheinternet.com... charged with murder



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Now for the record, I do not like the current policies of the President of the United States. I do not like the policies, both official and unofficial, and his double talk is getting tiresome, but I will never support the removal of a public official via assination. We are a nation of laws, and those laws provide for the means and way to remove a person who is elected. I can not think, (Well actually I can) but currently, there is no reason to do such.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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"May his days be few" doesn't sound like a joke to me. It means may his life be short. How would a president's life become short? The implications are clear.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 07:18 PM
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Where in that quote does it say life?

If you read it the scripture says “let his days be short and let another take his office.”

Who is this a threat? I wanted Bush’s days to be short in office too; I did not get that wish. I want Obama out soon too. It has nothing to do with killing either of them I want them voted out.

But the verse quoted says nothing about killing anyone. Just like any nut case though some might read it as that including the writer of the article.

Raist



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 09:58 PM
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You can try and spin this anyway you want but the quote is....




Pslam 109:8 states: 'Let his days be few and let another take his office'

Pslam 109:9 states: 'Let his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow'



Children are fatherless and widows are made by someone dying or being killed.

In my opinion this whole deal is meant to cause some wingnut to spin off and make an assassination attempt.

If this Bible quotation had of been directed at a conservative the Right wing would have been indignant and rightly so.

Don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense!



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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I truly feel something has turned. Obama didn't help matters by bowing like a servant before the Japanese and Saudi Kings. He could be in trouble now from the "right". The Bible also says something about reaping what you sow.

So far he has reaped bad feelings by acting like such a wussy before the leaders of other nations.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:23 PM
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This whole thread has got the hair of my neck standing up and I'll tell you why. Earlier this week I was made aware of a new prophecy by a certain Kim Clement that goes like this,



Kim Clement:
"Your President Shall Have a Great Conversion in 2010 Which Will Bring About Changes to this Nation"
Prophesied on October 25, 2009, in Memphis, Tennessee:
"For there has been a scheme and a plan against the President of this nation, to suffocate him." God says, "The enemy has planned in 2010 to bring shame to the first African President. So that they will say, 'Never again shall an African American be the President of the United States.' This will not happen," says the Lord. "This will not happen. This will not happen.
"There shall come a change in the early part of 2010 and many will say, 'Look, things are not quite as bad as what it seemed,' and those who have murmured and those who have spoken evil, those who have spread words out to bring shame to this race will not be satisfied."
God says, "It has been My desire to raise up a man who would honor Me. Yet the people say, 'But the policies, what about the policies?'" God says, "I told you I will change everything in the midterm of this Presidency. However, the enemy has planned an assassination to suffocate his voice. This will not be completed."
God says, "This will not be successful. This will not be the desire of the people at the time. There are three groups that have planned this, and the prophet has heard these words. For the one who prophesied this President into existence will not regret the words that God placed into his mouth."
"Three groups are putting this together to bring shame to the USA in 2010, but it shall be," says the Lord, "that I will take My angels and I will cause them to hear the prayers of Daniel, Daniel of old. And the prayers of Daniel shall be placed into this time and into this moment. For they shall say, 'What is happening with the prince of Persia? Why is it that there is a battle going on?'"
God said, "The spirit of Daniel is praying that this will not take place. I will bring freedom to Persia. I will bring freedom to Persia. I will bring freedom to the Middle East, but there will not be a peace treaty. However, the salvation of the Lord shall begin to take place in the Middle East as never before."

"Spiritual Renewal in 2010 Will Break the Cycle—I Will Break the Cycle"
God says, "Your President shall have a great conversion in 2010 which will bring about changes to this nation and because I have spoken.
"Your prayers and your praise shall bring about a change in the atmosphere; your praise and your shouts bring about a change, for you don't understand the significance of these sounds. I'm not listening to the journalists or the prognosticators. I'm not listening to CBS or NBC or ABC or FOX." God says, "I'm not listening!

"I'm listening for one sound and one sound only. The prophetic sound that comes from My people as they shout out the victory; for there is a victory that is coming that is greater than ever. A spiritual renewal in 2010 will break the cycle. I will break the cycle. For they have already predicted, 'This President is in line to die in office.'
But God says, "Hear the word of the Lord. I do not see men the way men see men. I see men through My eyes. I know their hearts. I know that the changes you desire politically and economically are not happening. No one can change anything in this nation but the Lord God Almighty. No one can. A prosperity is about to come upon the Church in such an unusual way."
God says, "Athletes are about to arise and penetrate the Kingdom of darkness. Economists are about to come forth from young men and young women, and the African American people shall rise up and say, 'We have been given the honor and the privilege to go into the marketplace and to build pulpits, and to bring people to Christ,' and so it shall be that I shall put My mantle upon this nation," says the Spirit of God.

An Exposure
"There shall be an exposure; a corruption that has been taking place in the political arena shall be exposed," says the Lord. "And they have prayed for this President to lay face down in shame. And they shall say, 'How is it that he (Obama) was the one who brought the truth out, and this that took place, this corruption that was taking place, was not revealed by the journalists of this hour but by the President of the United States?'

"Why? Because this President sought the Lord, got onto his knees and prayed out for God's blessing upon the nation."

"Your Song Has Come Before Me; You Will Not be Brought to Shame"
God says, "I will honor the prayer in the Easter of 2010. I will break the cycle.

"For they have predicted another one shall die in office. It shall not be so. For this President shall leave this office bringing honor to the African American people."
God says, "Some will say, 'Now will there ever be another African in the White House?' Yes, there will be another. It shall be an African American woman whom I shall raise up to stand in office and you shall be proud in Memphis, Tennessee, for you celebrated the word of the Lord.

"I've loved to listen to you over the centuries as you have sung. You sang in pain, you sang in bondage and you sing in freedom. They will never take your song away. You sang as slaves, as bondswomen, you sang of freedom.

"And that sound has risen to Me today again. Certain people of this nation who are enemies of the Cross have said, 'We will bring to shame this race.'

"Are you not Americans—citizens of this kingdom?
"No, you will not be brought to shame. There will not be another unnecessary death. There will not be another unnecessary assassination. For your song and your breath, the fragrance that is upon you, has come before Me," says the Spirit of the Lord.
Kim Clement
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To be honest I have had and still have serious doubts about the fulfillment of this prophecy, but as a Christian I will hope and pray for it to come true. This is much better than any evil attempt at assassination. It's just a bit odd to see this kind of talk so soon after reading this prophecy.

Probably just a coincidence.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:34 PM
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Seems way too involved to me. We shall see what happens and then know if you are a prophet or not. I think odds are in the radical rights favor.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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maddow is off her rocker. i saw this today too. the fact that she can find equally insane guests really doesn't surprise or shock me.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by skepticantiseptic
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Seems way too involved to me. We shall see what happens and then know if you are a prophet or not. I think odds are in the radical rights favor.


I'm not sure what you mean. First it's not my prophecy it's Kim Clements.

Just exactly what plays to the radical rights favor? Seems like the left is on the ascendancy and has been for over 50 years or so. I don't see the radical right amounting to anything.

Hopefully the radical moderates will prevail
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posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by skepticantiseptic
I truly feel something has turned. Obama didn't help matters by bowing like a servant before the Japanese and Saudi Kings. He could be in trouble now from the "right". The Bible also says something about reaping what you sow.

So far he has reaped bad feelings by acting like such a wussy before the leaders of other nations.



OK, I can acquiesce that the bow to the Saudi king, while, I do not think was show of submission, was rather over the top.

The bow to the Japanese official is being taken out of context. Don't the Japanese bow to each other out of respect? I was always under the impression that the bow was a fairly normal way of saying hello. That being the case, since he was in Japan, should he not follow their cultural protocol? Particularly in a country that places so much emphasis on said cultural protocol? The President (regardless of party affiliation) should not assume that they are immune to this. It is part of the art of diplomacy. I don't think acting in a manner that is appropriate to the host country is necessarily being a "wuss".

Obs out



posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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I don't like Obama. Plain and simple. I don't agree with his views, I don't agree with what he has done so far. I actually believe that he is a threat to this country. Now that being said. I don't want to see him taken out. I believe that there is a possibility of that happening.

If Obama is taken out by an individual, odds are that it will be a leftist that does it. Either an anti-war, gay rights or environmental extremist. If he is taken out by a conspiracy or organization, the members of the group will be leftists, but the assasin will be camoflaged as a right wing extremist.

Personally I'd like to see Obama complete his term in office and then get booted out by the voters. Right now he and his czars are doing more to unite this country than anybody in the last 100 years.

In my opinion if Obama was to be assasinated, I don't know if the US could survive it. The left has made Obama's race too big an issue. If he was assasinated I think we would see riots that would make the riots of the 60's look like ice cream socials. Then you have to consider the creation of Obama as a martyr along the lines of JFK.

There is no benefit to the right in Obama's assination, the only advantages that I can see is for the left.



posted on Nov, 20 2009 @ 08:17 AM
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You are missing the entire point.

There is NO reference to verse 9 WHATSOEVER. The entire bumper sticker is about verse 8.

Period.



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