Whether this guys story is true or not, how does it fit with the OP?

Maybe there is something I'm missing here, but the OP is about a secret CIA terrorist interrogation center on the grounds of a horse training facility in Lithuania.

This Zeus guys story is about a horse training facility in Germany, that may have been connected in different ways to the 9/11 terrorist attack.

How are the two related? Other than the horses? I'm at a loss here. I read the first page twice, from the first post, to the point where a mod brought up that this sounded like a story from ATS archives. But I failed, and still fail, to see the connection other than the two facilities being for horses.

I am willing and offered to take a lie detector test n front of the marines in Germany here is a copy of the email.. mike is the guy who helped set up clnton anderson. So it is true but agan the conclusion leads to?? Alot of unanswered questions. All they care about is making sure America does not know about clinton Anderson at the expense of wether I am allowed to live or not. Seems like. And there are alot of recordings also from steve ahlbergs wife to the head of homeland securitys cousin. But also expect to have more trouble but I tell the truth and dare clinton anderson andy schnieder steve ahlberg to do the same.
Here s a copy of the emal... see who is the liar...
how do you have his number? I thought t would be the coolest book ever if he went iinto partners with me on writing t. It would give two dfferent perspectives. He knows I never have a chance for that and it was just a lie to let me hope for something so I would hope that the truth isnt what it is.


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From: showhorse-Private Email Omitted
To: dougphipps-Private Email Omitted
Subject: Re: Book
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 18:23:22 -0700


Doug, Why are you sparing with Andy. Call him (-Phone Number Removed-) and make up.

Mike

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From: doug phipps
To: mikej-Private Email Omitted-
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 12:18 PM
Subject: FW: Book

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From: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
To: dougphipps-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: Re: Book
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:35:23 +0100


only one problem -Snip- the first step you make on german ground you will hear the cuffs click cause the police wants you so much ....and not only the police


From: doug phipps
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 2:17 AM
To: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: RE: Book


In fact Im going to volunteer to take it at the marines in germany.. that way it will be easy for you to come also.. dont you want to come on the base with me?


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From: showhorse -Private Email Omitted-
To: dougphipps -Private Email Omitted-
Subject: Re: Book
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:56:10 +0100


we both and the rest of the world knows that you are the biggest liar on earth ...
come on find somebody with a lie detector and i will be there you would not pass the first question


From: doug phipps
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:02 PM
To: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: RE: Book


we could take the lie detector test together.. we both know I will pass.


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From: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
To: dougphipps-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: Re: Book
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 17:57:36 +0100


where in oregon `?


From: doug phipps
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:10 PM
To: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: RE: Book


come here to oregon


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From: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
To: dougphipps-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: Re: Book
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:38:56 +0100


o-k tell me where we can meet to write the book


From: doug phipps
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:37 PM
To: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: RE: Book


why dont we write it together?? It would be a piece of history? I learned from you..I give you one chance to change what you did...


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From: showhorse-Private Email Omitted-
To: dougphipps-Private Email Omitted-
Subject: Book
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 13:53:24 +0100


I wanna buy the BOOK where can i pick it up ?

Mod Edit - Personal Information and Profanity Removed.

[edit on Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:59:08 -0600 by MemoryShock]

Zeus-

I'm from Clackamas County, and still live there. What County are you in? I've grown up in horse circles and spent alot of time around local Oregon horse facilities. Your name sounds familiar.....

I think I remember you from the Equestrian Center off Hwy 26, between Sandy and Gresham.......

The more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure I know you. Weird.

Humble hello to everyone reading, new and old to this topic. Apologies for continuing the semi-threadjack, but I definatly agree that Zeus' puzzle compliments this new CIA info. If anyone has the patience or curiosity to try to wrap their mind around it, I am delighted to see people reading it up. Zeusadam's story got me hooked here on ATS when the thread was breaking, I have been lurking here many times a day ever cince, reading a hell of a lot.

If this gets to be too much for this thread I propose someone create a new thread in the Grey Area as a workspace to hash it out, if anyone out there is still interested in doing so. Its good to see all those old faces out there by the way!

Talked to Doug years ago on the phone when we were all trying to figure this out and he is just a normal guy of the cowboy type, with a hell of a story. I can't imagine why anyone would persue spouting off a fabrication as wild as his for this many years if there wasn't something to it. Also the derailment and charicter assasination brought an eerie twist to the whole thing. The accusations and bs that was thrown around the room when they showed up was completley over-the-top and very suspicous, not to mention the worst I have personally seen on ATS to date.

If an interview is what you are after, he doesn't live far from me unless he has moved. Would just have to track down a camera, entirely possible. Unfortunatley I stutter terribly, am very shy, and have never done anything remotely similar in my life, I'm just a grocery grunt. Also haven't looked at the details of this in so long, would have to clean out a lot of bats from my brain. If it were me interviewing Doug you should expect something very low quality.

Sounds like we will be hearing some interesting things in the near future reguarding our country.

Keep your head up Zeus, Im not sure if I ever posted in your thread but I did read quite a bit of it.

I'm having a hard time following your posts, as others have stated. But I understand that it can be hard for some people to get their thoughts out clearly on a computer.

I am willing to listen and try to understand this stuff, as I can see some of what your saying makes sense to me. I recognize a lot of the names you are talking about in the Sandy and Gresham area, as I was also in the "horse scene" for quite a while growing up in this area.

I would be willing to meet up with you, so I can try to understand your story. I never knew you very well, but I dont ever remember you being a nut job, as others here have said.

Do you know how to use the U2U email on this site? If so, U2U me your information so we can connect, if you are still in the area and want to meet up for coffee.

I can recieve the personal messages but the account is too new to send messages. I think if you knew them you would know how funny they thought selling my training tecknicks where with another person? And there is recordings from mike pfeiffer admittiing the clinton anderson part of it. Jake was cltno andersons first student down in eugene oregon.

Originally posted by zeuseadam
I can recieve the personal messages but the account is too new to send messages. I think if you knew them you would know how funny they thought selling my training tecknicks where with another person? And there is recordings from mike pfeiffer admittiing the clinton anderson part of it. Jake was cltno andersons first student down in eugene oregon.

Well, if you are still in the area, maybe we can just agree to meet up somewhere in Sandy or Boring on a certain day? I think I would have a way easier time understanding all of this if we met face to face.

I never new Mike personally, only saw him at the stables frequently. I hung out with his kids sometimes at the stables, but the twins were a-holes that I never got along well with. Mikes youngest son Andy was really cool, at least when he was younger, as I never knew him after he grew up past 14-15 years old. I was around 18 at the time, and am a few years younger than you now. So it's been quite a while ago.

Anyhow, do you remember when Jake Arent died? I knew him also from the stables, and his two younger sisters. The only way you might remember me, was by my truck. I drove a jacked up 1959 Ford F250, two-tone yellow and white. It had two long whip antennas on either end of the front bumper. Pretty hard truck to forget, at least to me. Do you remember a guy named "Red"?