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Topic started on 19-11-2009 @ 07:25 AM by x2Strongx
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EXCLUSIVE: CIA Secret 'Torture' Prison Found at Fancy Horseback Riding Academy
abcnews.go.com
 Where affluent Lithuanians once rode show horses and sipped coffee at a café, the CIA installed a concrete structure where it could use harsh
tactics to interrogate up to eight suspected al-Qaeda terrorists at a time. A full report on the prison can be seen on ABC's World News with Charles
Gibson tonight.
"The activities in that prison were illegal," said human rights researcher John Sifton. "They included various forms of torture, including sleep
deprivation, forced standing, painful stress positions."
Lithuanian officials provided ABC News with the documents of what they called a (visit the link for the full news article)
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 07:25 AM by x2Strongx
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This is something that we knew that was going on... but to actually see it on MSM is a surprise! Video is included on the Source Link. Be sure to
watch it... Apparently it was built back in 2004 so it's not that old.
It sounds like it was very efficient and self contained. Had it's own Generator for power and each prisoner pod had it's own shower and toilet.
I wonder if they actually had CIA Operatives training horses outside to maintain the cover though...
Let me know what you think!
abcnews.go.com
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 07:49 AM by December_Rain
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There is lott of data already available which shows the torture policy was adopted.
9/15/2005 - Army documents show systemic failures in treatment of detainees; contradict report of Inspector General Mikolashek
10/24/2005 - Autopsies and Death reports reveal deaths of detainees in U.S. custody
1/12/2006 - Documents show that the Army received reports of detainee abuse as early as January 2002
2/23/2006 - Further Evidence Senior Officials Approved Abuse of Prisoners: FBI memo details Guantnamo commander's repeated refusal to abandon illegal
and ineffective interrogation techniques
4/11/2006 - ACLU Releases First Government Authentication of Abu Ghraib Abuse Images Along With One New Photo
5/2/2006 - Army Documents Show Senior Official Reportedly Pushed Limits on Detainee Interrogations; New Evidence that Government Knew Abuse was
Widespread Before Abu Ghraib Photos
7/10/2006 - Department of Defense documents show Pentagon silence led to prisoner abuses
1/2/2007 - Documents obtained from the FBI detail 26 eyewitness accounts by agents of detainee abuse, 17 of which the Bureau apparently chose not to
investigate further.
8/15/2007 - New Details of Possible "Cover-Up" of Iraqi Prisoner Abuse
4/1/2008 - declassified OLC memo authored by John Yoo asserting that President Bush has unlimited power to order brutal interrogations to extract
information from detainees.
4/16/2008 - Documents describe Charges Of Murder And Torture Of Prisoners In U.S. Custody
4/30/2008 - Newly Unredacted Report Confirms Psychologists Supported Illegal Interrogations In Iraq and Afghanistan
5/14/2008 - Defense Department Documents About Prisoner Deaths And Interrogations
5/20/2008 - Justice Department Report Reveals Senior Government Officials Knew Early On Of Interrogation Abuse But Did Not Stop It
7/24/2008 - Key Memos Authorizing CIA Torture Methods
11/19/2008 - Documents Obtained provide Further Evidence That Abuse Of Iraqi Prisoners Was Systemic
2/12/2009 - Deaths at Bagram Followed Abusive Behavior During and Following Interrogation
3/2/2009 - CIA Informs That Its Personnel Destroyed 92 Interrogation Videotapes
3/6/2009 - CIA Documents State that 12 of 92 Destroyed Videotapes Depicted Use of "Enhanced Interrogation Methods"
6/15/2009 - Heavily Redacted Guantánamo Tribunal Transcripts of Detainees Describing Torture and Abuse Suffered in CIA Custody
8/24/2009 - Detailed Official Record Of CIA Torture Program
10/30/2009 - Documents Related to Bush Torture Program
Source: US Govt. Documents released under Freedom of Information Act
Taguba Report:
The inquiry had begun in January, and was led by General Taguba, who was stationed in Kuwait at the time. Taguba filed his report in March. In
it he found:
Numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees . . . systemic and illegal abuse.
Read more: The General’s Report-How Antonio
Taguba, who investigated the Abu Ghraib scandal, became one of its casualties.
Torture/Rape/Sexul assault
Taguba Report-ARTICLE 15-6 INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE
Abu Ghraib photos depict rape, sexual assault: ex-US
general
Guantanamo is symbol of degraded torture convention: UN rights
chief
Abu Gharib Files-Torture Policy
DOJ releases secret CIA interrogation memos
Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show
rape'
US general linked to Abu Ghraib abuse
In a third reported case, witnesses said US guards repeatedly raped a 14 year old girl in
2003.
In a fourth reported case, Senior US officials admitted rape had taken place at Abu
Ghraib.
The suppressed fact: Deaths by U.S. torture
Homocide:
Autopsy reports reveal homicides of detainees in U.S. custody
War Crimes:
Reference: International Humanitarian Law - Treaties & Documents
International Humanitarian Law (Law Of War) 1949 and 1977 Conventions and Protocols
Amnesty International USA:
Investigation, prosecution, remedy Accountability for human rights violations in the ‘war on terror’
The TOP level of US Govt. who conducted the totrtue policy:
Although much has been revealed about the Bush administration's torture program, those in the upper echelons of the administration who
conceived of, crafted, and approved the program have almost entirely escaped accountability. The graphic below diagrams the participation of these
high-level officials in the torture program based upon publicly available documents.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 07:56 AM by x2Strongx
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Thank you for putting up that added information. Like I said... we all knew what was going on, but to actually see one of the places besides GITMO is
pretty incredible. I'm sure that if they didn't want us to see it it wouldn't be on MSM.
What I thought was funny though... Even though Lithuanian gave them permission in the first place... now they are saying that they had no knowledge of
it and are going to investigate and prosecute. Yeah right, that's a good one!!!
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 08:03 AM by kosmicjack
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Wow. This reminds me of an unfortunate poster on ATS a while back who was a horse trainer. He claimed he was being harassed because he knew of an Al
Qaeda connection to the horse training industry in Europe somewhere... I'll try to find the link.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 08:10 AM by kosmicjack
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www.abovetopsecret.com...
It's an old thread. Once you read it you will understand why it was locked. It was a sad saga and an incoherent tale that went no where. Members
tried hard to help the OP make sense of it.
Quoting mattifikation:
My take on what we're supposed to be noticing, which is so important, is that Zeusadam believes the Sept. 11, 2006 video was shot in the same
location as the video advertising the horse training techniques that were stolen from him. I think that's what he means by the "background" being
the same in both videos.
Until somebody can find the Sept. 11th video, this claim can't be verified. There was also a video released on September 10th and one on September
6th of that same year, so be aware that your first findings might be one of those. The actual video in question is supposedly one hour and sixteen
minutes long.
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I would just like to add a personal comment to this whole thing. At first, I thought that zeusadam was flat off his rocker. But once I started looking
for the videos he had directed us to, I started wondering something. How is it that a video whose release was widely reported in the press is
completely unavailable now, when it's had over a year to propagate across the Internet? The CNN article I linked to earlier actually offers a link to
its clips of the video, suggesting that it may have just recently been removed. Are they hiding something?
Now I'm really curious.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 08:26 AM by x2Strongx
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I'm glad you found that! I'm going through the whole thread now. Very intriguing! There are name and dates but it's very cryptic. Will get back to
you once I'm done going through the whole thread.
Sadly, it looks like that member is no longer active here on ATS. It's a shame. Would definitely like to pick his brain on this subject!
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 09:58 AM by mihkel
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This subject got me hooked too.I don`t know if its is relevant,but when i looked through this guy`s photobucket folder there was a letter and also
e-mail address of the sender:
s250.photobucket.com...
I googled the address and that led me to a homepage of company called Enja Libor Horsetrainings.Look at this:
www.enjalibor.de...
These are the guestbook entries of this homepage.
Look at 6th and 7th oktober of 2003.Someone called Doug has posted message directed to Andy.And 2 days later someone called Andy also appears to post
there.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 10:37 AM by Goathief
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I remember reading that thread and thinking there's something to this, maybe the CIA did get to him after all? Intriguing and disturbing all at the
same time.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 10:54 AM by Aeons
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Institutionalized torture is a simple way for sexual sadists to have governments and societies provide them with victims.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 10:58 AM by imitator
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I was in germany before 911 and asked to work for osama by andy schneider. He host stevs friends from the heros and friends video to europe.
Andy is clinton andersons best friend. I reported all to senator gorden smith and within a week was in mallorca. I am one of the great horsemen on the
planet but not allowed to train live or get credit from my own technics because they sold them with clinton anderson. Your senator can hold the
administration to a point on this. I asked did I go through this to stop terror attacks? the response was if I tell the truth aout clinton anderson id
get dead.
Wow! there might be something with 911 and this CIA front "Horseback Riding Academy"
I wonder the fate of the OP in that thread
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:02 AM by pavil
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That Thread was without a doubt was THE weirdest thread I have come across on ATS. The funny thing was, I think there was something really going on
there, but I couldn't make heads or tails out of it, when I first came across it. Things in it seemed too elaborate and too fringe to be a hoax.
When I read this thread.... I first thought about the Zeusadam thread.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:17 AM by Maxmars
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There is an important, if off-topic, lesson to be learned here.
Not all of those in the world who have something to disclose are skilled or well-spoken enough to do so without some kind of help. We often see
members chiding each other on their poor communications skills and such, yet here we see that this member, who probably gave up in disgust, was
actually giving us exactly what we needed to know....
I hope the member is OK.
Perhaps we'll never know.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:45 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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Ultimately some things can't be hidden and when the truth is set to come out the Main Stream Media attempts to get out in front of it in part to
maintain it's own credibility but in reality to do as much damage control as possible.
In the highly divisive world of international politics and business perceptions become more important than the actual facts.
People's reality is their own unique perception.
Spinning the story to make it as attractive as possible becomes the objective when you know the story is going to break in damaging ways that there is
nothing you can do to prevent it from breaking.
Then it's all about damage control, by putting forward the most favorable plausible version of the facts and creating that conflict of well who
should we believe CNN or the Russian News Agencies as to what went on over there.
The main stream news media is reporting it at this point because they have no choice but too.
The real story is why do they have no choice but too? That's the story we won't hear!
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 11:51 AM by MissysWorld
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The thread you are speaking of was started by Zeusadam, although he did have other names. His real name is Doug Phipps. I tried to help him, did
alot of research into what he was trying to convey. Sadly, I could not connect everything he was saying BUT I do believe what he is saying needs to
be investigated..This man is NOT crazy.
Doug is still on the net, and I found his postings just this past October 13, 2009 at this link:
www.thewesternshop.com...
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 12:01 PM by x2Strongx
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Sounds like this guy was in the middle of a lot! Mafia, Middle East Terrorists, Government Officials, CIA... Maybe it was a manipulation of sorts. I
respect the guy wanting to get the word out! I just hope he doesn't end up like a "Fall-Guy" involved in some kind of conspiracy. Hopefully,
someone can get a hold of him and have him come back to be an active member of ATS.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 04:10 PM by December_Rain
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Originally posted by kosmicjack
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It's an old thread. Once you read it you will understand why it was locked. It was a sad saga and an incoherent tale that went no where. Members
tried hard to help the OP make sense of it.
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I read the whole 48 pages of the thread, it was really intriguing. I think ATS lost a very credible chance to help that guy and get the truth out.
ATS'ers had a chance to research it, but sadly only few people did.
What was fascinating was when few members seemed intrested and started helping zeus and researching the links and things he said there seemed to be a
connection but just then 3 out of ATS people who "knew" him from real life from their own admission came on ATS and started deraiing the serious
research. They started "character assasination" instead of looking for facts, those personal attacks oh him, his family and his child he has never
seen was above the limit.
After that the whole thread started going downhill, although in the beginning I agree I did feel he was lil' wierd but unless you read all of it and
research thru the links you wont see the picture. I really do hope that guy is well and is able to get his story out.
I never dreamt before how a Horse industry can be linked to terror trail, but that thread certainly changed my view.
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 04:17 PM by MemoryShock
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We've seen Doug around since the 'ZeusAdams' account. And we'll see him again...I am almost sure of it.
I'm saving this for when he does show up.
And for the record...I tried to defend him in that thread...
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 04:18 PM by MemoryShock
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Double Post...
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reply posted on 19-11-2009 @ 06:03 PM by wanderingwaldo
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Originally posted by December_Rain
Originally posted by kosmicjack
www.abovetopsecret.com...
It's an old thread. Once you read it you will understand why it was locked. It was a sad saga and an incoherent tale that went no where. Members
tried hard to help the OP make sense of it.
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I read the whole 48 pages of the thread, it was really intriguing. I think ATS lost a very credible chance to help that guy and get the truth out.
ATS'ers had a chance to research it, but sadly only few people did.
What was fascinating was when few members seemed intrested and started helping zeus and researching the links and things he said there seemed to be a
connection but just then 3 out of ATS people who "knew" him from real life from their own admission came on ATS and started deraiing the serious
research. They started "character assasination" instead of looking for facts, those personal attacks oh him, his family and his child he has never
seen was above the limit.
After that the whole thread started going downhill, although in the beginning I agree I did feel he was lil' wierd but unless you read all of it and
research thru the links you wont see the picture. I really do hope that guy is well and is able to get his story out.
I never dreamt before how a Horse industry can be linked to terror trail, but that thread certainly changed my view.
Can you give a summation of what this guy was trying to say? I tried to read the thread but this guy is all over and I have the feeling it could be
boiled down to a couple of paragraphs.
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