the Vatican repeatedly placing the 3rd secret within the boundaries of the 20th century:

"A careful reading of the text of the so-called third “secret” of Fatima, published here in its entirety long after the fact and by decision of the Holy Father, will probably prove disappointing or surprising after all the speculation it has stirred. No great mystery is revealed; nor is the future unveiled. We see the Church of the martyrs of the CENTURY WHICH HAS JUST PASSED represented in a scene described in a language which is symbolic and not easy to decipher."
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"In the (3rd Fatima) vision we can recognize the LAST CENTURY as a CENTURY of martyrs, a CENTURY of suffering and persecution for the Church, a CENTURY of World Wars and the many local wars which filled the last fifty years and have inflicted unprecedented forms of cruelty"
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"In the Via Crucis of an ENTIRE CENTURY, the figure of the Pope has a special role. In his arduous ascent of the mountain we can undoubtedly see a convergence of different Popes. Beginning from Pius X up to the present Pope, they all shared the sufferings of THE CENTURY and strove to go forward through all the anguish along the path which leads to the Cross. In the vision, the Pope too is killed along with the martyrs. When, after the attempted assassination on 13 May 1981, the Holy Father had the text of the third part of the “secret” brought to him, was it not inevitable that he should see in it his own fate? He had been very close to death."
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"The TWENTIETH CENTURY was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the “sweet Christ on earth” "
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"Sister Lucia agreed with the interpretation that the third part of the “secret” was a prophetic vision, similar to those in sacred history. She repeated her conviction that the vision of Fatima concerns above all the struggle of atheistic Communism against the Church and against Christians, and describes the terrible sufferings of the victims of the faith in the TWENTIETH CENTURY."
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"The vision of Fatima concerns above all the war waged by atheistic systems against the Church and Christians, and it describes the immense suffering endured by the witnesses of the faith in the LAST CENTURY of the second millennium. It is an interminable Way of the Cross led by the Popes of the TWENTIETH CENTURY."
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"The Church's path is thus described as a Via Crucis, as a journey through a time of violence, destruction and persecution. The history of an ENTIRE CENTURY can be seen represented in this image."

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So do you think the secret (disaster) was averted and all is well?

Do you think they've covered up the secret and just got their time frame wrong?

What do you think the secret is?

2)In fact, Cardinal Ratzinger(now the Current Pope) made it crystal clear that: the 3rd secret IS the definite ELABORATION of the 2nd secret. He provided this revelation buried deep within the supplied interpretation-commentary that was released alongside the 3rd secret of Fatima in 2000. Ratzinger stated in one paragraph(you can find it on the Vatican website): "Here it would be appropriate to mention a phrase from the letter which Sister Lucia wrote to the Holy Father on 12 May 1982: “The THIRD PART of the ‘secret' refers to Our Lady's words: ‘If not, [Russia] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated'”--
And there you have the true gist of the Third secret of Fatima. Whatever is contained in the 23-25 line explanation by the Virgin Mary, of which the Vatican has withhold, makes it clear to those in the Vatican that have read the unreleased text, that the 3rd secret is the CLEAR elaboration of the 2nd secret. And Cardinal Ratzinger is letting it be known in a concealed fashion.

3) I also remember reading a decade ago, in my high school library, an old book about the 3rd secret, published in the 1950's or 60's, a quote from the seer(Sister Lucia) in which she commented(or wrote in a letter?) something to the effect of: "what you want to know (the 3rd secret), was in a way already revealed." -- which confirms again that the 3rd secret is an elaboration of "what was already revealed" in the second secret.

4) Father Malachi Martin, someone who has claimed to have read the 3rd secret, confirmed this connection as well, by mentioning that Russia was the explosive trigger of the 3rd secret, just as Russia is revealed as the key trigger of the 2nd secret:
"Russia, according to the text of the 'Third Secret,' was the regulator of the timetable."(The Keys of this Blood, Malachi Martin, 1992, pg 631)
"The actual contents of that "Third Secret" remained by and large a secret until the pontificate of John Paul II. By that time, the contents had been revealed to a sufficient number of people on a private basis, and both John Paul himself and Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger had spoken with sufficient frankness about the contents so that at least the essentials could be reliably outlined. Lucia's single-page written formulation of the "Third Secret" covers three main topics. A Physical chastisement of the nations, involving catastrophes, man-made(war) or natural, on land, on water and in the atmosphere of the globe. A spiritual chastisement(religious persecution), far more frightening and distressing--especially for Roman Catholics--than physical hardship, since it would consist of the disappearance of religious belief, a period of widespread unfaith in many countries. A central function of Russia in the two preceding series of events. In fact, the physical and spiritual chastisements, according to
Lucia's letter, are to be gridded on a fateful timetable in which Russia is the ratchet."(The Keys of this Blood, Malachi Martin, 1992, pg630-631 )

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*The Point of demonstrating that the 3rd secret is in fact the elaboration of the 2nd secret is to reveal that * IF * (BIG "IF") the 3rd secret is about the FUTURE rather than the PAST....THEN: not only is a worldwide mass religious persecution and martyrdom and the death of a pope foretold by the Fatima prophecies for the future, the 2nd secret reveals that this religious persecution will be accompanied by wars throughout the world, famine, and the annihilation of various nations. *AND* that it will be preluded by the rise of a Russian tyrant that will reign terror and persecution against the Church and this Russian tyrant would be a leading initiator and provoker of wars. Also that there would be a future sign that God would send in which the "night...(is) illuminated by an unknown light."

For the Third Secret to be about the future rather than confined to the 20th century events is for the Second Secret of Fatima to be significantly more about some post 2000 era then about world war II. Perhaps the only part of the second secret of Fatima that had fully to do with world war II was the line "if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI" and the rest of the second secret was actually a prophesy of a more distant period of war decades after the second world war....Making it a prophesy that partly touched on three periods of global war within a 100 year span.



But in these posts, I have only demonstrated that the 3rd secret itself contains a definite reference to either A)a deadline of the end of the 20th century for the start of key events. or B) a timeline of the 20th century for completion of the foretold Fatima events. ---So even if you believe the Fatima prophecies are divine, your still left with two completely different and opposing possibilities.




[edit on 19-11-2009 by Phantomfire707]

Originally posted by Signals
So do you think the secret (disaster) was averted and all is well?

Do you think they've covered up the secret and just got their time frame wrong?

What do you think the secret is?

I do think we are headed toward the changes that will bring about the fulfillment of the Fatima Prophecies.

I think the answers to your second and third questions are provided in the rest of my "continuation" posts that were submitted after you read the beginning parts.

I think the Vatican is hiding the real #.
How come the Virgin Mary was so concern about Russia and forgot about Hitler???
Also...if you swap U.R.S.S for U.S.A it makes a lot more sense in my opinion without disrespecting our fellow A.T.S American friends.
Peace

I believe that it is likely the fatima prophecies are satanic in origin as are the prophecies of Medjugorje. In fact the 'Mary' visitations at Medjugorje led to doctrines in complete opposition to the Bible and the primary mission of Jesus Christ. This so called Mary made the claim that all religions are of God and all roads lead eventually to God etc.

One can compare this to what Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life, no one can come to the father except through me." and "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it." It also fits the description of the spirit of antichrist since it denies the need for Jesus Christ's suffering on the cross.

The problem with the Mary visitations is that Mary veneration has degenerated into idolatry, the same idolatry that was found in pagan times in the form of Asteroth or Astarte, Ishtar (from which we get the name Easter) etc. There are hordes of powerful demons associated with this ancient cult whose modern form is Mary worship.

Thus I am extremely suspect with regards to any of the so called Marian prophecies. Demons often fulfill prophecies of disaster by causing the disasters if they can get away with it. Thus I take Fatima as no more than wishful thinking on the part of some denizen of hell.

Originally posted by upnorthtrip
How come the Virgin Mary was so concern about Russia and forgot about Hitler???

The world that I believe we are approaching will make WWII and Hitler look tame in comparison.

Hitler didn't have nukes to play with. If the events of the Fatima prophecy are of the future they are possibly a part of the final apocalypse. A time of great martyrdom and annihilation.

thank u for the time to put this information..
for me is hard to believe anything that the church says..even the popes.
but if is true and u mixed it with everything is supposed to happen in these couples of years, then i would think from christianity that the russian men is to be the antichrist.
but who knows..

Originally posted by SevenThunders
I believe that it is likely the fatima prophecies are satanic in origin as are the prophecies of Medjugorje. In fact the 'Mary' visitations at Medjugorje led to doctrines in complete opposition to the Bible and the primary mission of Jesus Christ. This so called Mary made the claim that all religions are of God and all roads lead eventually to God etc.

I fully support and welcome your above comments. It is a good position to hold. They very well may be demonic. I can only say though, that if the Fatima prophecies begin to come true in the future as I described....that at such a time it would be proper for doubters of Fatima to seriously reconsider their beliefs about God's non-plans for Jesus's mother.

I never understood what gives the church the ability to create the word of god? Besides "thats the way it has been" and because they have a pretty church, why is it taken as truth? What gives those who are in power the "power"? I'll be honest, I am not looking to be convinced of a god or that this particular religion is right. Just why is that this particular "revelation or secret" so important. What qualifications do you need to be a prophet?

The secret is that Satan would take over the Catholic church!

That began on June 29,1963,when the church of Rome and a sister church in South Carolina performed the Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer!

The book of Revelation clearly describes the Catholic church coming back into power again in the Ebd-Times,as we are seeing now.(Googleope,World Political Power)

Look at the past atrocities committed-admittedly-by the Catholic church. It's nothing like what's still to come.

By the way,The Catholic church was involved in the formation of the Islamic religion.(Which would coincide with the end-times statement that believers in Christ would be beheaded for their faith!) That,and you can also Google:Guillotines in America! See,by beheading a person,they are able to save vital organs for harvesting!)


Dont take my word for it. You can research it pretty easily.

I swear I did not put that dang smiley-face there !

Is that Satan trying to make fun of what I said?! (Creepy!)