Ouch!!!

Maybe Obama should have got Graham for AG.

He seemed to be more knowledgeable about the laws than Holder.

Anyway, meetings like this are always meant to make someone look like an arse.

As for the trial, I think this is just a part of Obama plan to prove to the world that we have changed our ways of torturing/abusing enemy combatants.

Give them a trial, find them guilty, give them life.

A death sentence would merely bring negative publicity to America. Something Obama doesn't want.

Originally posted by sos37

Isn't this really just so Obama's lawyers can go through the diatribe about how terrible torture and waterboarding is and how badly these guys were treated?

You've hit the nail on the head! Don't believe, for a second, that this has anything to do with the perception the administration is painting. Their whole plan is, and has always been, to bring out the TORTURE. Nothing else, nothing more, absolutely nothing to do with justice for the 9/11 victims and their families. Nothing to do with America, nothing to do with the terrorists (or, 9/11 masterminds).

This is about Pelosi's promise to bring down Bush and Cheney. This is the last chance the Administration, and Congress, has to burn the previous administration.

They are planning for this to open the torture accusation, finger pointing, and their last strong-arm attempt to destroy everything Bush, everything Conservative, everything Republican, and yes even everything American.

This is about POWER. Nothing less, and so so so much more!!

Great find!We need to expose these dirty SOBs.I really don't see what their agenda is?

Originally posted by sos37
Isn't this really just so Obama's lawyers can go through the diatribe about how terrible torture and waterboarding is and how badly these guys were treated?

Yes. As I said in that other thread, its just a show for the benefit of that certain segment of Obama's supporters that has been pushing the whole Gitmo torture line from the beginning AND an attempt to politically damage the other side as much as possible. The Democrats couldn't care less about these terrorists' supposed 'rights' and in that respect, they're no different than the GOP. Its pretty sad when you lose a debate to Lindsey Graham, but it doesn't surprise me that Eric Holder can't defend his position because the position of this administration on this issue is indefensible.

The public is already overwhelmingly against this move, but the real problem for Obama and the Democrats is that this is going to turn into an even bigger three ring circus by the time its all over. Everyone already knows what the outcome will be...including Barack Obama and the Democrats... and in that respect, their motives become quite transparent and its obvious for everyone to see that this is all about politics.

Nobody should be in defense of these kangaroo courts, whether they are military or civil. The military courts were so bad that 7 prosecutors resigned rather than proceed. It seems now that they are dragging this stuff into the civil courts it won't be any better. Don't cry when you aren't treated any better than these "terrorists" in the future, our country's sense of justice has become a sick joke.

The biggest problem I see with this is that if they do find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt that means they will have to allow evidence that was gathered without observing US citizens constitutional rights.

That means that if I get accused of breaking a federal law then technically they can use whatever means they want to get information to use against me.

People vs. Mohammed... since the confession used in the trial was the result of waterboarding that means they can waterboard me to implicate myself.

This is a lose/lose situation...I can only wonder what will happen if the Obama administration goes down in history as letting the terrorists go

Lindsey can be hit or miss in my eyes. In this instance he certainly hit it out of the park. I certainly hope that they can put a stop to these proceedings in NYC and uncover the true agenda of this administrations actions.

moot.

just send them to military tribunals instead.
redefine them as combatants, try them, convict them, sentence them and free those who have been subjected to false or wrong accusation.

There's all sorts of legal provisions taht can be made and remember, this ain't some communist country where they will dump you in a hole and forget about you.

To desire that is un-american.

to desire any sort of solution outside rule of law is un-american.

Why do republicans not trust rule of law? Perhaps it's that iron fisted disctatorial bent they cling to in their hardcore principles.

Let's face it, most of the sitting republicans in congress and in the senate are basically fascists. There aren't many centrists and the whole party has gone to the dogs with their acceptance of the neo-con agenda which amounts to a fascist police state not governed as a true democracy.

the Republican Party should be disbanded and rebuilt without all the fascist infiltration. It has completely damaged an otherwise good party in the last 20 years.

down with the neo-cons! they are YOUR enemy.

I kind of feel sorry for the poor dems (no I don't just joking..) because they have no idea what is going to happen to them all come 2019. It was bad enough that they followed Obama's socialist agenda for a while and gave him whatever he desired. The healthcare bill and the economy should put them back under the bus for another 8 years or more, but once they start parading the terrorists in court and the public gets reminded just how painful 9/11 was for America, there will be nothing but pity for most all of the Congress & Senate dems as they become permanently unemployed. Obama will be out in 2012 as well.

I have never seen such a delusional bunch of politicians, ever. And it's no longer a democrat or Republican thing but rather it's an American thing. I know because I talk to a lot of people I know who voted for Obama and are they ever sorry. Also to note, there was a time before the election of Obama when I could get my hands slapped every day for any unkind word said about Obama on the ATS. Now I find the road is free and clear to criticize him. No road blocks, no detours, only smooth road and clear skies ahead.

Don't feel sorry for the Obaminites in congress or Obama himself, pity them as they self destruct. I love every minute of it.

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Fromabove]