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Must See Video : Lindsey Graham - Eric Holder !

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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Republican Lindsey Graham destroys Eric Holder.

Lindsey Graham - Rambo

Bookmark this Youtube webpage!
Republican Lindsey Graham takes Eric Holder to the woodshed.
Attorney General Eric Holder shows himself to be nervous and
unprepared. This is bad history.


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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 10:08 PM
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Thanks for sharing that video. Everyone should take time to watch this whatever your political leanings are or what country you are from. Lindsey Graham makes some great points.

Graham does a great job of stating the very negative implications of the AG trying to try terrorists/enemy combatants in particular in civil court. It just opens up the possibility that much will be thrown out of court since these people didn't receive Miranda rights before being interrogated.

For those of you who do not want to click through to youtube I posted the video here. Hope you do not mind Eurisko.




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posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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No problem. Thanks.

I heard tonight that New York wants $75 Million for security
for the KSM trial. It looks like about $100 Million total for this
circus!



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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That is amazing. Earlier in a thread I guessed it would be 300 million after it is all said and done and all the costs to the taxpayer are factore in. I still think I might come out on the low end.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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Ouch!!!

Maybe Obama should have got Graham for AG.

He seemed to be more knowledgeable about the laws than Holder.

Anyway, meetings like this are always meant to make someone look like an arse.

As for the trial, I think this is just a part of Obama plan to prove to the world that we have changed our ways of torturing/abusing enemy combatants.

Give them a trial, find them guilty, give them life.

A death sentence would merely bring negative publicity to America. Something Obama doesn't want.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Obama said earlier they'd be found guilty and get the death penalty. There was a thread about it.

Yes op, holder seemed to not be properly prepared for this one.



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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Obama might have said it, but does he mean it.

Many people outside of the US already sees the death penalty as torture.

I think Obama wants to avoid being tied to the word "torture"

Death penalty will merely be an option to satisfy Americans.

Could you imagine the outcry if Holder wasn't opened to the death penalty?



posted on Nov, 18 2009 @ 11:59 PM
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Yes I'm sure he means it.

What worries me here is that holder seems so uneducated on the history of law. I can't say I'm much better, but I'm not the attorney general. I expect him to sound a tad more knowledgeable.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 12:15 AM
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Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by jam321
 


Obama said earlier they'd be found guilty and get the death penalty. There was a thread about it.



WAIT WAIT WAIT

If their guilt has already been decided, least of all by the president, then why go through the charade and circus of a "trial", and in New York no less? Isn't the point of a criminal trial to find an unbiased venue???

Isn't this really just so Obama's lawyers can go through the diatribe about how terrible torture and waterboarding is and how badly these guys were treated?



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by sos37

Isn't this really just so Obama's lawyers can go through the diatribe about how terrible torture and waterboarding is and how badly these guys were treated?


You've hit the nail on the head! Don't believe, for a second, that this has anything to do with the perception the administration is painting. Their whole plan is, and has always been, to bring out the TORTURE. Nothing else, nothing more, absolutely nothing to do with justice for the 9/11 victims and their families. Nothing to do with America, nothing to do with the terrorists (or, 9/11 masterminds).

This is about Pelosi's promise to bring down Bush and Cheney. This is the last chance the Administration, and Congress, has to burn the previous administration.

They are planning for this to open the torture accusation, finger pointing, and their last strong-arm attempt to destroy everything Bush, everything Conservative, everything Republican, and yes even everything American.

This is about POWER. Nothing less, and so so so much more!!



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 06:54 AM
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Great find!We need to expose these dirty SOBs.I really don't see what their agenda is?



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 07:49 AM
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Originally posted by sos37
Isn't this really just so Obama's lawyers can go through the diatribe about how terrible torture and waterboarding is and how badly these guys were treated?


Yes. As I said in that other thread, its just a show for the benefit of that certain segment of Obama's supporters that has been pushing the whole Gitmo torture line from the beginning AND an attempt to politically damage the other side as much as possible. The Democrats couldn't care less about these terrorists' supposed 'rights' and in that respect, they're no different than the GOP. Its pretty sad when you lose a debate to Lindsey Graham, but it doesn't surprise me that Eric Holder can't defend his position because the position of this administration on this issue is indefensible.

The public is already overwhelmingly against this move, but the real problem for Obama and the Democrats is that this is going to turn into an even bigger three ring circus by the time its all over. Everyone already knows what the outcome will be...including Barack Obama and the Democrats... and in that respect, their motives become quite transparent and its obvious for everyone to see that this is all about politics.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Holder isn't interested in justice. He's just interested in money.

Michelle Malkin


If you’ve been paying attention, you already know all about AG Eric Holder and his DOJ staff’s national security conflict of interest as senior partner with Covington & Burling — the prestigious Washington, D.C. law firm, which represents 17 Yemenis currently held at Gitmo.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 08:59 AM
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Nobody should be in defense of these kangaroo courts, whether they are military or civil. The military courts were so bad that 7 prosecutors resigned rather than proceed. It seems now that they are dragging this stuff into the civil courts it won't be any better. Don't cry when you aren't treated any better than these "terrorists" in the future, our country's sense of justice has become a sick joke.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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Graham brings up a good point about terrorists rights if they are brought to a civil court. I bet the military commanders never once thought the captured on the battlefield would be allowed a lawyer and read Miranda rights. NOW what is the military supposed to do whenever they catch someone? What are the new rules they must follow when interrogating prisoners? Holder needs to be replaced by someone who knows what he/she is doing if he cant answer basic questions such as this to Mr Graham.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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The biggest problem I see with this is that if they do find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt that means they will have to allow evidence that was gathered without observing US citizens constitutional rights.

That means that if I get accused of breaking a federal law then technically they can use whatever means they want to get information to use against me.

People vs. Mohammed... since the confession used in the trial was the result of waterboarding that means they can waterboard me to implicate myself.

This is a lose/lose situation...I can only wonder what will happen if the Obama administration goes down in history as letting the terrorists go



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Lindsey can be hit or miss in my eyes. In this instance he certainly hit it out of the park. I certainly hope that they can put a stop to these proceedings in NYC and uncover the true agenda of this administrations actions.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:09 AM
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moot.

just send them to military tribunals instead.
redefine them as combatants, try them, convict them, sentence them and free those who have been subjected to false or wrong accusation.

There's all sorts of legal provisions taht can be made and remember, this ain't some communist country where they will dump you in a hole and forget about you.

To desire that is un-american.

to desire any sort of solution outside rule of law is un-american.

Why do republicans not trust rule of law? Perhaps it's that iron fisted disctatorial bent they cling to in their hardcore principles.

Let's face it, most of the sitting republicans in congress and in the senate are basically fascists. There aren't many centrists and the whole party has gone to the dogs with their acceptance of the neo-con agenda which amounts to a fascist police state not governed as a true democracy.

the Republican Party should be disbanded and rebuilt without all the fascist infiltration. It has completely damaged an otherwise good party in the last 20 years.

down with the neo-cons! they are YOUR enemy.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Seiko
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Obama said


When is the other half of the country going to wake up and realize that this is the statement when questions should start. It is the obligation of of the citizens of the United States of America to question any and all public figures.
If one awesomes they are either lying or do not know of what they speak, our country would not be in the shape it is today.



posted on Nov, 19 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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I kind of feel sorry for the poor dems (no I don't just joking..) because they have no idea what is going to happen to them all come 2019. It was bad enough that they followed Obama's socialist agenda for a while and gave him whatever he desired. The healthcare bill and the economy should put them back under the bus for another 8 years or more, but once they start parading the terrorists in court and the public gets reminded just how painful 9/11 was for America, there will be nothing but pity for most all of the Congress & Senate dems as they become permanently unemployed. Obama will be out in 2012 as well.

I have never seen such a delusional bunch of politicians, ever. And it's no longer a democrat or Republican thing but rather it's an American thing. I know because I talk to a lot of people I know who voted for Obama and are they ever sorry. Also to note, there was a time before the election of Obama when I could get my hands slapped every day for any unkind word said about Obama on the ATS. Now I find the road is free and clear to criticize him. No road blocks, no detours, only smooth road and clear skies ahead.

Don't feel sorry for the Obaminites in congress or Obama himself, pity them as they self destruct. I love every minute of it.

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