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Originally posted by jmacbeth
if a muslim man ripped a cross off of a white christians neck u all would be rdy to hang him. just hoping people will keep it real
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
But three years is way too much and so is 25k.
25K is like whatever, but three years is lunacy!
Originally posted by Wildbob77
This is why I don't think that there should be hate crimes.
If she pulled the scarf off someone who wasn't a Muslim, what would the punishment be?
Somehow, I can't believe that yanking a scarf should be a felony.
Originally posted by ROBL240
People have gotten less jailtime in the UK for rape and murder than for simply yanking off a headscarf. Muslims need to stop taking themselves too seriously and take a few chill pills.
Originally posted by neformore
Yep. Crazy punishment.
Oddly though - and as unbelievable as this may sound - had the woman in question shown minded her own business and shown some personal responsibility, restraint, and not bought into the all abiding paranoia and hate spread about islamic people by drinking the ignorance kool aid being sold by certain sections of society she wouldn't be facing any of this at all and this thread wouldn't be here, would it?
When it boils down to it, the whole mess is her fault.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
Let's be honest here. If the victim weren't a Muslim, most of you wouldn't be at all bothered my this dumbassed chick getting the minimum sentence for her actions.
Originally posted by stumason
And in one statement, you show a complete lack of understanding as to what the scarf means to a Muslim woman. I'll give you a hint, it isn't there to keep her warm.
Like I said in an earlier post (which I doubt you read), it's akin to going up to a non-muslim woman and pulling down her skirt.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Snarf
Not at all. If this chick had yanked the scarf off a white woman because it was a white woman, she would be facing the same charges. if the roles had been reversed and the motive the same, the charges would be the same.
I'm curious, Snarf. Why do so many people such as yourself believe that these are the only times that motive should not be a factor in sentencing? It's very strange that so many people have no problem with a criminal's motive being factored into the sentence they're given unless that motive happens to be bigotry. So, explain to me - why is it you think bigotry should be the only motive in a crime that gets no consideration?
To loud applause, Obama hailed the hate crimes measure in the bill as a step toward change to "help protect our citizens from violence based on what they look like, who they love, how they pray."
Originally posted by His Doodness
have you all lost your minds??
how is yanking a scarf off of someone considered assault?
What damages were done to the muslim woman? torn scarf? emotional damage?
sounds like a civil suit to me, not a criminal suit.
lets say i was in that supermarket, and there was someone else there who hated me for whatever reason. so they walk up, say something hurtful, pull a hat off my head(or scarf or whatever, doesn't really matter), and throw it on the ground. should i call the police? would you?
if you are a reasonable person you most likely would answer no. no crime was commited here. at most, the muslim woman should get a restraining order and sue for emotional distress.
law enforcement had no business getting involved in this.
am i the only one who sees it this way?