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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 07:47 AM by SmokeJaguar67
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Great theory and I think you are to be commended on the lateral thinking but I have a problem with your theory.


Many years I woke up one morning to find Bob Dillon was alive and well and this shocked me as I sat watching some stupid TV advertisement and there he was lolling about in the back of a car.

My whole adult life I had been certain he was dead from a drugs overdose and my god-son was even named after him, his mother telling me she had named him after her dead idol, Bob Dillon. I remember her telling me this when he was a newborn.

I even have vague and fading memories of TV born grief and stories about the dead idols life.

Suddenly one morning Bob Dillon is alive and well and my brain leaked out of my ears trying to get my head around this. When I mentioned this strange alteration of my reality to my godson’s mother and the reason she had named her son with that name, she looked at me like I had just stuck a fresh haddock in her ear.

I think time travel is not only possible but that there are probably people out there changing time and when they change time we all experience it but rarely acknowledge it because everything changes, including our memories. However sometimes there are glitches, and I think I experienced one such glitch.

Before someone comes along and tells me I have been watching too much matrix, this weird event happened several years before the first film.

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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 07:47 AM by kiwifoot
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I'm reading a book called 'Chaos' by James Gleick...it's a fascinating introduction on the science of chaos, one of the chapters is on the "Butterfly Affect"....we all know about it, but we tend to think of it in a radical sense.

By that I mean I travel back in time, have an accident with a man who dies, turn out he would have taken my mother to a dance where she would have met my father etc!

But the butterfly affect, and the world in general (aided by chaos) works on a much smaller scale.

If I travel back in time, the very disturbance in the atmosphere that my presence creates, the motions and actions I undertake, could possibly change the world for ever, alter history in a monumental way.

For example (using the same idea as a butterfly's wings), I go back in time, a bee flies at me and I swat it away, but I shouldn't have been there to swat the bee away and its' flight should have eventually taken it onto sting someone, that someone was supposed to die from an allergic reaction to the sting, that person now goes on to do something dramatic, creating millions of other butterfly affects, changing the course of history for ever. Even me walking could change the air flow in the atmosphere, perhaps unbelievably resulting in a weather system that causes a drought somewhere, resulting in a war or famine...chaos tells us that can happen.

Just the reality of time travel, a person occupying a space, place, event in time when they were not meant too, will probably have far reaching consequences.

I think if time travel had happened, we'd know somehow..de ja vu perhaps?

All the best...Kiwifoot



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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 09:51 AM by Jdawg9909
reply to post by jamie21m


Pretty much here is my theory on time travel. Let us assume that some sort of technology exists to allow time travel. When I say time travel, I mean that you successfully transport matter to a different point in time. This can be within a nanosecond or to a span of time furthur out. Now that you have transported the matter through time and space, what happens when you want to return? The problem is syncing back up with your old timeline. Because as the timeline you traveled to is growing(time passing), so to is the timeline that you left. That is, you have aged on the old timeline(even if you werent there). It is my theory that as much time has passed on your new timeline, the same amount of time has passed on your old timeline, plus/or minus the time allowing the technology to transport you(depending on how it operates). Basically what I am saying is, yes you may be able to travel, but the problem is returning.


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 11:00 AM by bobs_uruncle
Here's my take and I have worked on spatial compression, FTL, BEC and EPR/ER solutions for the government, military and universities... There are paradoxical problems in traveling to the past and to the future. In addition, there are paradoxical problems in viewing the future, but none in viewing the past. So the only probable "allowed" activities that might follow the conservation of time and space would be viewing the past.

Traveling to the past results in changes to the time stream and violates natural laws such as the conservation of energy/mass both at our originating and target temporal point. Viewing the future causes a temporal change IF what is viewed is acted upon IN ANY WAY (even if you think about it more than you would have normally as that may change your actions), thereby changing the future viewed. Traveling to the future violates the law of conservation of mass/energy but with an equitable mass mass/energy trade, it is possible, but there still may be temporal ripple effects as the past of the future may be effected by the mass/energy sent backwards in time in the transfer.

You might be able to travel "sideways" to alternate universes, but you also have the problems with the conservation of mass and energy since you must remove said mass/energy from this universe and deposit it into another universe. If there were equilibrium in the transfer, a trade of equal mass/energy, then it might be possible.

In any event, under the right conditions, nothing is impossible, there are only differing levels of non-zero probabilities.

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/18.2009 by bobs_uruncle]


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 11:13 AM by HappilyEverAfter
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Okay so "stopping" time, (the viewers time) and letting the surrounding environment move past, would put you in the past.
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