Originally posted by dalan.
Don't forget that Christians suppressed the sciences, remember what they did to Galileo?
I like it when modern Christians try to dissociate themselves from Catholicism...it is entertaining. I do not care what denomination you are, track
the history of your religion and your sub-genre of the Christian faith probably came from the Holy Roman Empire at some point in time. That would
include everything that you believe about Christianity....
Religion is the biggest waste of time for society.
Christians? Seriously? That's the Roman Catholics yet again.
Perhaps people are initiated to Christianity through "sub genres" AKA denominations stemming from Catholicism, but in the end, I believe those who
are truly Christ-followers are those who get past what the establishment thinks and mature to find that real Christianity is a faith, not a
While I may pray religiously, attempt to read my bible religiously, be kind even to those I dislike religiously, I am not in the religion of
Christianity, oft constrewed as the Catholic or a vast number of Protestant churches, I am in a religion/regimen that I have created for myself in an
effort to live out the faith that stems from the bible, the faith in a living and real Savior, the Son of God, all through the Holy Spirit. It all
does indeed come from the Bible.
If it's doctrine or theology of only man applied to Christian Faith, it's wrong and thus not Christian Faith, but a religion in and of itself,
manmade as mine is, but not based biblically and faithfully based, or it could be a once valid religion perverted in ways that prevent it from being
(as) effective in the belivers' lives, as well as in the lives of those it tries to exemplify itself to.
Even the Jewish faith had this problem with the Pharisees.
As for the murder and all, the people in the OT knew of a coming savior, but expected an earthly king of might and power. That in mind, they not only
followed God's word for conquest and destruction of non-belivers, but they took Isreal as well. It was all righteous killing, not murder, except for
times where people did what they thought instead of God, such as Moses killing the Egyptian Taskmaster. There were, however, instances of compassion
towards those in the bull's eye:
*When God was about to destroy the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked God if He would destroy the cities if there were X number of righteous
people in them. God said no. Then Abraham asked the same question if there were righteous people with a lesser number. Every time he dropped the
number and got the same answer. The fact is that God would not have destroyed those cities if there were any righteous people in them.
*In another example, Abimelech, king of Gerar, took Abraham's wife because he lied saying that she was his sister. However, God prevented Abimelech
from sleeping with her and warned him in a dream. Abimelech heeded God's warning and was spared from death.
*Eliphaz the Temanite, in his discussions with Job, acknowledged that God did not judge the innocent with the guilty, but that those who act sinfully
will incur God's judgment. So, God does not destroy the righteous along with the evil.
Only after those who came to a true knowledge and faith in Jesus as Messiah did God give man a second chance that those who believed could follow.
While wars raged then and do now, as well as holy wars, inlcuding the Crusades, that was man's sin, not God's. God has never and will never sin, He
only destroys or punishes those who don't repent. There may be negative consequences for those with true faith in Christ, even death should they sin,
but they don't suffer eternal damnation as those who live lifes of unrepentant sin and blasphemy do. Jesus' blood forgives it all. And if you
mention the whole blasphemy thing, know that I belive that only someone who doesn't belive and won't truly have faith in Christ as Savior can even
blaspheme and truly mean it and receive punishment. The bible already explicitly states that His blood covered it all, it's just a matter of catching
Re: The post below me. The Trinity isn't entirely understandable by man, but it's understandable enough that even children get it after a while.
Basically, you have God. God is a Spirit. What we call God is the Creator. Then, you have the Son, Jesus. Then you have the Spirit of God. All three
exist as one, but separate at the same time. Equate this to our bodies being separate from our minds in that many reflexes are built into the spinal
cord and not the brain, etc. Then you have our consciousness, which exists within the brain, and then you have the soul/spirit, which is the eternal
essence of God-given life that makes our carbon based bodies different from animals in that we don't just follow instincts. Three in one, one in
three. The human creation actually mirrors the God it was created in the image of, and thus it isn't just a physical thing...it's not just about God
being a humanoid.
[edit on 18-11-2009 by joesomebody]