Boy Refuses To Stand For Pledge of Allegiance

reply to post by iamsupermanv2

and what's more manly then taking a stand for what you believe.

Well I do see your point with that one. So if the kids thinks there is injustice because gay people cannot marry and so forth that is fine and he can protest all he wants at home or private school. When you are at public school I think you should obey your teacher and not disrupt the flow of class. If he doesn't want to say the pledge then he should just stay home from the school that his "unjust" government provided for him instead of wasting his teachers valuable time and robbing the other kids of tht time to learn. Maybe he should find an all gay school where people think like him.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by HotSauce]

reply to post by fordrew


Those are the things that you don't like about the pledge of allegiance? I dislike it because it was written by a socialist to sell flags to public schools, not because of what it says.

Anyways, it makes me happy to see that there's a child who hasn't been brainwashed by the education system.

"Give me control of the textbooks and I will control the state." Adolf Hitler

reply to post by HotSauce


Yes, because it's obvious that the best way to inspire a love of learning in children is to physically abuse them, and possibly psychologically scar them for life, for standing up for their beliefs.

Seriously the HotSauce, just because he's 10 does it make his beliefs any less valid? Are his rights as a citizen, scratch that, as a human void until he reaches a certain age?

reply to post by Nosred


Getting a little paddling on your behind at age 10 is not exactly abuse. It is perfectly legal in most parts of the country.

They are not even his beliefs. His parent have more or less brainwashed him by dragging him into the gay rights movement AT AGE 10. Now that is psychological abuse. That is no better than taking your kid to one of those snake catching churches every weekend all weekend long.

They should let him be a kid and if he wants to be the kind of gay rights activists when he grows up, then let him do it then.

[edit on 17-11-2009 by HotSauce]

reply to post by HotSauce


too bad we all can't afford to be in a private school.

and our public school system is a place where they are supposed to teach our children history math science art government. our system allows for peaceful protest. in my government book in school it said that freedom of speech is protected under our laws. him choosing to not say the pledge is just fine. in fact, as i understand, it is against the law for the teacher to force him to say something he does not believe in. after all, he did not refuse to write the pledge down as an assignment. he refused to say it for ideological reasons.

the teacher had no reason to pick at the kid all week. after all, the teach said they knew the kids mother and grandmother, why not after the first day give a call as a concerned friend and talk to them. but instead the teacher made a scene. the teacher (read adult) should have taken the high road and left him alone. he was not breaking a rule. he was not causing a riot. he was not disturbing class. he has had to answer to his peers in the form of name calling. and he accepts that. sounds like he understands the way the world works a good amount for a ten year old. i hope this kid stays pure and runs for office.

I don't know what the world is coming to.

Such a brave little soldier...standing up for his rights!

And all of these eevil people that want to make him stand for the pledge.

Villains.



Maybe we should all just sit down and have a good cry.

Oh, the humanity!

reply to post by iamsupermanv2


This kid will never be elected to office. He might have had a chance but his act of defiance apparently made it to the press.
If he were to run the opposite party would be airing ads and making robo-calls about how he refuses to stand for the pledge of allegiance. Then it would be all over the cable news. Then there would be op-ed columns etc...

Not a chance.

People need to learn how to eat sh** and crap truth.

To the poster who said you love this kid for fighting in what he believes in whether it is right or not - what kind of logic is that?

If I think killing people is right (when obviously it is not), and fight to prove that, am I a patriot?

Unless this kid is a genius, I agree with HotSauce in that he doesn't know what he is doing besides preaching the little information in his head.

Anything anti-establishment seems to get a round of applause here on ATS though...

What's the big deal? Jehovah Witnesses do not allow their children to pledge the flag and this has been going on for years.

As a matter of fact, when Michael Jackson was still with his brothers in Jackson Five, they were hired to sing the National Anthem at an event. They did not even know the words and had to learn it on the way to the gig. (They were brought up JW).

Jehovah witness children have usually been ostracized because of not saluting flag or saying pledge. It was a demonstration that was enforced on them. It was not a matter of freedom of choice.

I hope that just because this kid in video makes a protest by not going along with tradition, that people do not start thinking that the JW's were "right" about not saluting. Their reasons are a lot different as they have their own dictatorship under a governing board.

reply to post by jitter


ha...sadly...if the state of things continues you are correct...

unless gay rights really takes off in the next 15-20 years then he will walk in to whatever office he chooses imagine the headlines then. he'd be the poster child.

but also if the state of things continues...he may not have an office to run for anymore...

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


this isn't anti establishment. he is standing for his ideology. he never once said it was because he hates establishment.

from the quotes in the article, he is a well spoken, bright child. he even skipped a year.

if you took the time to look at what went on, you will see that he has a valid point. it's about time children start to notice when they are being TOLD what to think and not being ENCOURAGED to think.

Wow, and to think, I thought Hotsauce was being a huge troll... People honestly agree with him? Its really a shame how you do not give the darn kid some credit.

reply to post by fordrew


i had the same thought and was having fun feeding, but nope, either more trolley friends or they believe it. sadly, they probably believe it.

reply to post by fordrew


How come when someone has an honest disagreement with your ideas they are a troll.

I just think the kid should behave his teacher. Is that really wrong?

haha how is this a story. lots of kids didnt stand when i was in school. some didnt for a reason, some cos they just didnt care.

I think what young Master Phillips did could be termed a nonviolent act of civil disobedience.

The substitute was a retired teacher. Perhaps, if she were at least as old as me, she grew up in a time when certain groups were expected to automatically obey authority, whether the result of obedience was violence or discrimination. One had to automatically "know their place".

I can think of two examples of now-outmoded thinking, that at one time were accepted by society. One is more well known, the end of racial discrimination by nonviolent means/civil disobedience. The other ex perhaps does not even come to mind. I can remember a time when, if a policeman were summoned to a house due to calls of disturbance, the police would not even set foot on the property because it was essentially a "domestic disturbance" (not a man on man brawl), when it was assumed the husband had a "right" to beat his wife.

The world is not all right if "everyone knows their place", and we obey out of fear or because we've given up.

I am truly sad to see this thread, it is a sad state or union is in when this is what we call a good stand. Does it not bother anyone that this 10 year old is being used by the gay community to further their cause? He is 10 years old for gods sake. This is not a good thing no matter how you spin it. Honestly I do not have a problem with gay people in general but when they use children to further the cause it is wrong.

Also I bet you are the same people who think it is alright for a teacher to come out of the closet to a bunch of 1st graders. Why should children have this put on them? It is the same thing for the parents who take their children to abortion rallys. Children should not be used this way!!!!

And his parents should feel ashamed of themselves. This is border line child abuse. Like I said before would it be alright for him to be used this way for the abortion cause?

Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by fordrew

 

I think this is a good reason why we shouldn't have stopped giving kids a good ass whooopin' at school. Even if he does disagree he needs to follow the teachers commands. I think he is doing it just to try to dominate the teacher. Too bad he is not in Catholic school so she could bust him up with a ruler. The little brat will probably be in jail by 20.

You never fail to impress..

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
I am truly sad to see this thread, it is a sad state or union is in when this is what we call a good stand. Does it not bother anyone that this 10 year old is being used by the gay community to further their cause? He is 10 years old for gods sake. This is not a good thing no matter how you spin it. Honestly I do not have a problem with gay people in general but when they use children to further the cause it is wrong.

Also I bet you are the same people who think it is alright for a teacher to come out of the closet to a bunch of 1st graders. Why should children have this put on them? It is the same thing for the parents who take their children to abortion rallys. Children should not be used this way!!!!

And his parents should feel ashamed of themselves. This is border line child abuse. Like I said before would it be alright for him to be used this way for the abortion cause?

First, I am pretty sure the kid is straight for one thing. His mom may be involved in gay rights and she may encourage him to join, but at least he can distinguish between equality and inequality. I am pretty much against gay marriage, for one thing it should not be called gay marriage but a civil union ( OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.).

But I do not care if this kid is advocating it because nobody told him to one day to stay seated during the pledge of allegance. Nobody told him to go on tv and preach his opinion. He decided to think it over and he himself made that decision to do so. That is the beauty of free speech and everyone has the right to do so.

Why reprimand a child for (INTELLIGENTLY FOR HIS AGE) exercising his 1st amendment?

reply to post by fordrew


His gay loving mother just brainwashed him by dragging him into the gay movement at a young age. It is no different then when Christians send their kds to one of the radical Bible camps out there. Simple brainwashing.