Disclosure efforts on the way?

reply to post by BO XIAN


Well I can definately conclude that I will agree to disagree....

LOOKING ON A SPECIES-WIDE LEVEL!!!!! As they have evolved, they have become less hostile....

Done with this argument and thats all the spoon feeding I will do for you today. Perhaps you should entrust a little faith into the human species, I would hate to live in your shoes and have such a negative output on everything!

[edit on 18-11-2009 by tmayhew01]

Originally posted by Verd_Vhett
reply to post by deejayiwan

 

I am of the opinion that any race able to travel such great distnaces in space would be More enlightended then us petty humans. I think if any race that has been here was going to attck in some overt fashion they would have allready,

To be honest I think they see us as Insignigent creatures, there greatest fear Is that we will make our way in to the universe, why do I say that you might ask well look at what man has done with the greatest scientific acheivment we have made as of yet, We harnased the power of the atom and turned it in to a bomb that still today grips the world in fear.

if I was an Inteligent race I would want nothing to do with us petty humans we are not ready to enter a galactic civilization.

However If president Obama did this its one thing I would applaud If the world knew that there was somthing more out there, maybe we could come togeather My only fear is we would do so from the Defencive stant point, and not aproach with caution.
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I've expressed the same opinion many a time..I'm glad to find someone who sees it the way I do. WE as a species are not ready nor deserve to join the galactic population. If we were ...who...would you pick to represent us as a race..the majority would pick Michical Jackson if he were alive///enough said.

Originally posted by deejayiwan
listen!

Thats an interesting video.

Heres a review of some of the USAF UFO 'explanations' he refers to:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Cheers.

reply to post by Haydn_17
They are just uninformed. If you read through your list of quotes, you will notice a number of them were taken out of context. Ronald Reagen was using the subject as a rhetorical statement. Many of your other quotes are individuals saying, "I don't know"; thus, they don't prove anything except a person's opinion based upon a limited understanding. Nothing is factual in any of those statements. They are speculating.

reply to post by karl 12
Soon. I'm still working on a project, which I miss estimated the time it would take to get done. I promise you will have your answers soon.

reply to post by VonDutch
I would like to know if you are trying to spread a rumor.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Pathos]

Originally posted by Monts
Great Article, S & F.

I think the fact that John Podesta has logged 17 visits to the whitehouse is proof enough that some kind of disclosure effort is going on in the whitehouse. It is now obvious that disclosure is a topic of discussion in the whitehouse. I pray that Obama takes the next step and proves that he is willing to bring the change he promised.

Is this verifable, that Podesta really did visit 17 times? If someone can prove this to me, then yes, I think disclosure is very close.

But every time I get my hopes up.........

Originally posted by Astrobee

Originally posted by Monts
Great Article, S & F.

I think the fact that John Podesta has logged 17 visits to the whitehouse is proof enough that some kind of disclosure effort is going on in the whitehouse. It is now obvious that disclosure is a topic of discussion in the whitehouse. I pray that Obama takes the next step and proves that he is willing to bring the change he promised.

Is this verifable, that Podesta really did visit 17 times? If someone can prove this to me, then yes, I think disclosure is very close.

But every time I get my hopes up.........

The first post in this thread has all the information you need

I'm going to have to remain skeptical. I mean, I feel that it's close, but we've been lead down this path many times before. And we all know how it ends up. It's going to happen one day, so one of these predictions will come true, one day. (note to goverment spooks on here, make it soon )

Originally posted by Acidtastic

Originally posted by Astrobee

Originally posted by Monts
Great Article, S & F.

I think the fact that John Podesta has logged 17 visits to the whitehouse is proof enough that some kind of disclosure effort is going on in the whitehouse. It is now obvious that disclosure is a topic of discussion in the whitehouse. I pray that Obama takes the next step and proves that he is willing to bring the change he promised.

Is this verifable, that Podesta really did visit 17 times? If someone can prove this to me, then yes, I think disclosure is very close.

But every time I get my hopes up.........

The first post in this thread has all the information you need

I'm going to have to remain skeptical. I mean, I feel that it's close, but we've been lead down this path many times before. And we all know how it ends up. It's going to happen one day, so one of these predictions will come true, one day. (note to goverment spooks on here, make it soon )

First post has all of the information? I want to see the white house list of recent visitors, an official list. I don't find that on any link.
This in my opinion, is the biggest clue.

Originally posted by Pathos
reply to post by karl 12

 

I promise you will have your answers soon.

I very much look foward to hearing your opinions - when you're ready why not start a separate thread individualy debunking each case?

Originally posted by Pathos
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

They are just uninformed. If you read through your list of quotes, you will notice a number of them were taken out of context.

There are many other statements at the link below.

"More than 10,000 sightings have been reported, the majority of which cannot be accounted for by any scientific explanation, eg that they are hallucinations, the effects of light refraction, meteors, wheels falling from aeroplanes, and the like. They have been tracked on radar screens and the observed speeds have been as great as 9,000 mph. I am convinced that these objects do exist and they are not manufactured by any nation on earth. I can therefore see no alternative to accepting the theory that they come from an extraterrestrial source."
Air Chief Marshall Lord Dowding, Commanding Officer of the RAF during WWII.



"We had a number of reports from reputable individuals (well-educated serious-minded folks, scientists and fliers) who surely saw something".
As Air Force Chief of Staff, in his 1965 autobiography, Mission With LeMay, stated that although the bulk of UFO reports could be explained as conventional or natural phenomena, some could not.
Many of the mysteries might be explained away as weather balloons, stars, reflected lights, all sorts of odds and ends. I don't mean to say that, in the unclosed and unexplained or unexplainable instances, those were actually flying objects. All I can say is that no natural phenomena could be found to account for them... Repeat again: There were some cases we could not explain. Never could."
General Curtis LeMay
Statement from 1965 autobiography Mission With LeMay, with MacKinlay Kantor, New York: Doubleday, 1965.



"Sightings of unexplained objects at great altitude and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major US defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles."
Dr .H Marshall Chadwell, former assistant director of the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence, in a December, 1952 memo to then-director of the CIA, General Walter B. Smith.



"... no aircraft, neither in the United States, either in the Soviet Union is currently able to achieve the speed attributed to these objects from the radars and from the observatories. These objects appear to be driven by an intelligence the way in which they fly. According to reports from scientists and technical personnel, these objects fly in formation and finish manoeuvres that seem to point out that are not completely driven from an automatic equipment. These objects are in incontestable mode the result of long investigations and highly technological and exceptional knowledge."
Rear Admiral Delmer S. Fahrney, head missile testing of the American Navy on January 16, 1957.



"Every time I get skeptical, I think of the other reports made by experienced pilots and radar operators, scientists, and other people who know what they are looking at. These reports were thoroughly investigated and they are still unknowns.
We have no aircraft on this earth that can at will so handily outdistance our latest jets... The pilots, radar specialists, generals, industrialists, scientists, and the man on the street who have told me, I wouldn't have believed it either if I hadn't seen it myself, knew what they were talking about."
Captain Edward J. Ruppelt
Chief of Project Blue Book, from his book, The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, 1956.



"The evidence that there are objects which have been seen in our atmosphere, and even on terra firma, that cannot be accounted for either as man-made objects or as any physical force or effect known to our scientists seems to me to be overwhelming... A very large number of sightings have been vouched for by persons whose credentials seem to me unimpeachable. It is striking that so many have been trained observers, such as police officers and airline or military pilots. Their observations have in many instances... been supported either by technical means such as radar or, even more convincingly, by... interference with electrical apparatus of one sort or another..."
Admiral Lord Hill-Norton (GCB), Chief of Defense Staff, Ministry of Defense, Britain; Chairman, Military Committee of NATO; Admiral of the Fleet; Member of House of Lords.



"I concentrate on the science. I'm interested in the UFOs seen by the police and military witnesses. I'm interested in the near misses that pilots report, where their aircraft nearly collide with these things. I'm interested in the visual sightings backed up by radar. I'm interested in the military bases that are overflown by these things. I'm interested in the cases where you have radiation readings on the ground.
These are no lights in the sky. These are not misidentifications of fantasy prone individuals. This is a cutting-edge technology being reported by reliable, trained observers, and it is something that goes beyond what we can do.
That to me suggests that if it is not ours, it belongs to someone else. If that technology is better than ours, then the extraterrestrial hypothesis seems to me the best explanation."
Nick Pope
Head of the "UFO desk" at Air Secretariat 2-A, British Ministry of Defence from 1991-1994.



"There are unidentified flying objects. That is, there are a hard core of cases - perhaps 20 to 30 percent in different studies - for which there is no explanation... We can only imagine what purpose lies behind the activities of these quiet, harmlessly cruising objects that time and again approach the earth. The most likely explanation, it seems to me, is that they are simply watching what we are up to." (Redbook, vol. 143, September 1974.)
Dr. Margaret Mead, world-renowned Anthropologist.



"The opposite conclusion could have been drawn from The Condon Report's content, namely, that a phenomenon with such a high ratio of unexplained cases (about 30 percent) should arouse sufficient scientific curiosity to continue its study."
"From a scientific and engineering standpoint, it is unacceptable to simply ignore substantial numbers of unexplained observations... the only promising approach is a continuing moderate-level effort with emphasis on improved data collection by objective means... involving available remote sensing capabilities and certain software changes."
Ronald D Story - American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics UFO Subcommittee -New York: Doubleday, 1980



"There are some definite flight type characteristics that are seen now that I would say represent genuine UFOs...ie: instant acceleration; instant stop; vertical acceleration -up into the air and down to the ground; reverses in direction; right angle turns -all in silence -multiple objects sometimes separating and then going back into each other.
They are classic,what I would call,genuine UFO characteristics -things that we can not do in a conventional sense".
British Detective Constable Gary Heseltine - Police UFO reporting organisation,PRUFOS.



"Reports of anomalous aerial objects (AAO) appearing in the atmosphere continue to be made by pilots of almost every airline and air force of the world in addition to private and experimental test pilots.
This paper presents a review of 56 reports of AAO in which electromagnetic effects (E-M) take place on-board the aircraft when the phenomenon is located nearby but not before it appeared or after it had departed. "
"Reported E-M effects included radio interference or total failure, radar contact with and without simultaneous visual contact, magnetic and/or gyro-compass deviations, automatic direction finder failure or interference, engine stopping or interruption, dimming cabin lights, transponder failure, and military aircraft weapon system failure."
"We're not dealing with mental projections or hallucinations on the part of the witness but with a real physical phenomenon."
Dr. Richard Haines, Psychologist specializing in pilot and astronaut "human factors" research for the Ames NASA Research Center in California-Chief of the Space Human Factors Office.



"The type of UFO reports that are most intriguing are close-range sightings of machine-like objects of unconventional nature and unconventional performance characteristics, seen at low altitudes, and sometimes even on the ground. The general public is entirely unaware of the large number of such reports that are coming from credible witnesses... When one starts searching for such cases, their number are quite astonishing. Also, such sightings appear to be occurring all over the globe."(Hearings before the Committee on Science and Astronautics, U.S. House of Representatives, July 29, 1968.)
Dr. James E. McDonald, Senior Physicist at the Institute of Atmospheric Physics at the University of Arizona.



"Observations show that UFOs behave 'sensibly.' In a group formation flight, they maintain a pattern.
They are most often spotted over airfields, atomic stations and other very new engineering installations. On encountering aircraft, they always maneuver so as to avoid direct contact."
Dr. Felix Y. Zigel, Professor of mathematics and astronomy at the Moscow Aviation Institute

www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

Does anyone care to speculate upon which "G8" country the disclosure project is working with in trying to "establish official contact"

The terms of "establishing official contact" interest me, and how they intend on bringing it to the attention of the United Nations?

Firstly what does the United Nations have to do with the price of eggs, and to whom is trying to establish the official contact? Greer and the project with the Aliens? or this G8 country with the Aliens?

I would have thought that a g8 country introducing the world to 'dave' the alien would be just as credible as the united nations because if the evidence is there and the contact is offiical and in the open then to what purpose is it whom does the disclosure?

Don't know wheter anyone here believes channelings, but here is an interesting part from yesterdays GFL channeling worth reading imho:

Your world is drawing closer with each day to the time when all things on your globe transform. This transformation is coming in a number of different forms. First, there are the governmental and fiscal changes. Then come the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual changes that you are personally going through daily. Finally, there are the adjustments that Mother Earth has planned for completely redoing her outer surface. Heaven is carefully monitoring these things. A special timetable is winding down, and quite soon some major events are to manifest in your world. We have the time forecasted in divine prose by the Creator. Heaven and Earth are set to move! A new reality is to appear before you almost in one fell swoop, but before all this happens some final adjustments need to be made. As you know, we are fully ready. A great and sublime ride awaits us all. Fasten your seatbelts and prepare for the unexpected! We have come to a point where our presence needs to be known; it is time to make the forces behind the ongoing UFO cover-up step aside. Full disclosure is rapidly becoming something we expect from your Earth allies as well as from the major governments of your world. As you approach critical mass, it becomes increasingly silly to insist that you are alone in the universe. Over the past half-decade we have informed hordes of witnesses and supporters about our existence and about what Heaven has proclaimed for this world and its inhabitants. We have also witnessed the lunacy of this UFO cover-up in action: Many who continue to deny our existence do so while setting up a global network of exotic weaponry to be used against us! These 'toys' have bankrupted many governments and brought death and ruin to multitudes who are the lifeblood of the illegal drug trade set up to pay for the expensive weapons projects designed to prevent our arrival. It is time to end all of this and for these rogues to simply bow out. All their preventive scheming is futile: When Heaven decrees our arrival, it will happen easily and swiftly. Heaven is, after all, the final arbiter. Our Earth allies have worked hard to create the financial and governmental instruments for change. These transformative tools are linked to your empowerment and to our first contact with you. It is no coincidence that contact mirrors your growth in consciousness; Heaven has carefully drawn out this operation for a purpose. We are to help each other and, by so doing, reunite another 'lost' branch of the human family with the main trunk of humankind. Your sciences deny the obvious and work hard to hoodwink the naïve. It is time to end this charade and let the light of truth beam its discerning shafts into the murky hallways of your societal structures. This we intend to see happen. Our Earth allies promise that a whole range of startling truths are to air daily once the new transitional governments are installed and fully functional. It is essential to be able to demonstrate the validity of what needs to be disclosed. Our Earth allies realize this and have developed a plan by which all these things are to be done. Events are brewing which herald a new, abundant realm. Secret meetings have brought your world to the brink of a truly remarkable moment. Likewise, we have put the pressure on for disclosure. Once we are officially announced as real and benevolent, a new reality is thrown open.



[edit on 18/11/09 by Cybernet]

Mars database..

My thought was that since NASA announced they have to much photo's to scan for 'special' pictures, they opened everything and asked the people to help looking and ordening and such.
So, maybe that they know there is something, and let the people find it themself and announce it, then NASA takes a look and everybody say halleluja!

See here: beamartian.jpl.nasa.gov...

mars.jpl.nasa.gov...




[edit on 18-11-2009 by VonDutch]

reply to post by VonDutch


interesting!! hm..hm...perhaps people will actually really find there something...you know, so it won't make NASA (the GOV) look bad and won't look like they were hiding something in the end..just like Wilcock said..hm..

Oh well, I check back every day, at the news. Just imagine the surprise to read a thread that Obama was disclosing on national tv at this moment, introducing various ETs and that soon it would be up on youtube if you missed it, and scheduled almost immediately Coast to Coast's Art Bell was going to be interviewing a Federation represantive.
I keep sending this all the happy energy I can.

John Podesta did visit the White House 17 times and below is the official White House visitors log to prove it.

www.whitehouse.gov...

reply to post by Unity_99


Yes, it surely is getting all exciting. Hopefully we will get there. What is your thought on the chanelled text i posted parts of? I don't have any experience with this kind of method of communication, so i apologize if my view on it will sound "silly". But it does in a way support all the events/claims going on.

Originally posted by Pathos
reply to post by Haydn_17

 

They are just uninformed. If you read through your list of quotes, you will notice a number of them were taken out of context. Ronald Reagen was using the subject as a rhetorical statement. Many of your other quotes are individuals saying, "I don't know"; thus, they don't prove anything except a person's opinion based upon a limited understanding. Nothing is factual in any of those statements. They are speculating.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by Pathos]

Guys listen to Pathos. Google some of these quotes before going crazy.

I will say though, David Cameron's quote is out of context...

Mr Cameron laughed and replied: "I'm convinced we have been visited by alien life forms - and one of them is the trade secretary Peter Mandelson."
He then said: "I have no idea there is intelligent life out there and no idea whether any of the sightings which have taken place or whether any incidents which have taken place have any basis in truth.

"I do believe in freedom of information and openness and this question has been asked from time to time and I think we should be as open and clear as possible....

www.mirror.co.uk...

reply to post by no ufo disclsoure no vote


Now that it was proven, we can think why he was there so many times. I assume a several times it was because of normal earthly issues, but thinking that he didn't talk about disclosure with Obama or the administration not even once, is plain naive. Now let's hope it really happens.

[edit on 18/11/09 by Cybernet]

reply to post by Loopdaloop


"Dave" the alien eh?

I hope it's Alf, the furry kind!

What would happen to things like Project Serpo where we went off with them for a few years, a kind of official exchange program? Would they restart it?

I hope they do look like Princess Stephanie of Monaco (My Stepmother Is An Alien) because if they do, I'll be first in the queue !!!

Think about this though, lets say they are going to finally admit and inform us. The president will make the announcement with more air time and deliver us some facts...
Why not do it right now vs. at another time? There was a beautiful line said/explained in a movie with Bruce Willis. Lucky Number Slevin :" What's a Kansas City Shuffle? A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left....It's not something people hear about. Falls on deaf ears mostly. This particular one has been over twenty years in the making. No small matter. Requires a lot of planning. Involves a lot of people. People connected by the slightest of events. Like whispers in the night, in that place that never forgets, even when those people do."

Is that what is going to happen? While everyone is looking right (alien proof) BO and all go left (policies, strip more freedom, more disease... etc)

We will forget momentarily if not longer about the threats at home and wonder what is outside... Just a theory.

Cheers

*Edit for grammar

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Choiseul]

reply to post by Cybernet


I normally stay away from all things GFOL, though some of my experiences relate to the Federation, in fact, since childhood there seems to be this consistency and handing in reports to someone that has been lied about and misconstrued into cult form here, along with Vrill type stuff that happens to so many with bloodlines. My friend always went to the Nesara sites, like Four Winds, and I was always telling her it was nonsense. I dont anymore, because I really don't know how some of this ties in, and if anything is valid there or not. Channeling is not Telepathy, but when a friend sent me a video on youtube talking about the moon and a message from their contacts, it was like Nesara, and it was supposedly channeled. So I searched for what that meant. They were talking about contacts in the room telepathetically communicating. Thats not channeling.

Channeling, or automatic writing, gives someone else (often a lower dimensional even or anything out their in the astrals or multiverse) control over you and is dangerous. I'm not saying you might not get some legit answers from it, but its dangerous, and I would not trust the answer.

Telepathy is mind to mind conversation. Still cannot totally trust the answers, except you may trust your own cosmic family as I do, but still not totally understand the military mechanisms out there, the protocol, the many different groups, some are negative, some of the human looking ETS are siding with the Vrill/zetan/hybrid/black op programs.

Sirius is one of them. This system is in conflict between positive and negatie. I didn't know that for sure, but now I've had contact by the third group and I know it is. Well, that makes sense, as Dan Burishc talks about the looking glass technology and it certainly wasn't given because they love us. Along with sites on Montaulk talking about the cool blond scientists from Sirius involved. Well I had contact from a very cold ruthless almost a business man in a civlian long jacket, different looking suit, civlian ranking. It was a business suit with rank. And he was a jerk beyond. Anycase, that is still under investigation by me, along with his threats to my family.

Yet, many of the starseeds are felines from Sirius, and that includes someone I've known since he was 2 who can speak the cosmic language, translate, sing it like a hymn to me, stirred the pot on the sitings we were having when he was here, and suddenly accessed those memories and blew me away. I can recognize it in people too. And have gotten feedback, they are aware. Well this explained my friends interest in Nesara and that she put up a pictured of Sehkmet, feline egyptian goddess, on her wall (she was the grandmother to the 16 year old indigo I spoke of). These sites have a strong Sirius Connection. Even Ashtar, misconstrued and lied about on earth, have a strong Sirius connection as he is half Sirius and half Andromedan. But you cant wade through this info and trust it.

Is any of it true, a real contact? Maybe? But since there are negatives on earth and negatives in that system, then it makes the info extremely questionable, and it was already that by being presented by these cults and channeled. It just becomes even more of a nightmare to me.

That being said, I saw arrests beign down on the HEADS of the banks, corporations, etc, ie. Evelyn Rothschild himself, not little fall guys. I am right behind it 100%. Another friend has had these dreams. I beleive its the site you quoted from that is connected to Ashtar, and Sirius, that also spoke of the arrests. So, I read a little of this stuff lately, but my radar always goes off.

[edit on 19-11-2009 by Unity_99]