Any level of poverty where people go hungry is wrong.. whether that is 1 or a million.. I know my cousins in the US spend some of their time working in food kitchens to help those who do not have enough, they also help each other through this mess we are all in..

The sad fact is that the corporate mentality is not the community driven one it was 50 years ago, regardless of how people want to see it, we do live in a new world order where high streets (main street) shops are the same faceless greyness that invest nothing back into the communities that help them grow..

The divides between the have and have nots is growing.. those elite remind me of the same elites that survived on another kind of slavery and bondage that has never had a colour bar.. Take the de Warenne family where I live in Sussex, they are calculated as the second richest family in Britain in the last 1,000 years.. and that wealth was built on the servitude and bondage of the serfs under them.. so what has changed in the last 1,000 years.. the elite still control, and we still live in the same debt servitude to them.

As for Swine flu being a depopulation plan by the elite.. to be honest (as sad as a single death is) the black death worked against the elite.. it gave power back to the people.. the poor had leverage over the rich land owners.. so I really don't go with the PTB planning any kind of depopulation, since it would put them at a disadvantage.

It would be better for the to increase the number of citizens via immigration, we you can see this evidenced in the US and UK for instance.. the higher the numbers if citizens the fewer the job opportunities, and the higher levels of mass debt servitude makes it easier it is to drive down the standard of living of the poor..

To turn a phrase on the Black Death, "as the poor got fewer, the rest got richer" and the reverse is also true, as the poor grow in number the rest get poorer, which is what I feel is happening today.

All the while the PTB need mass distraction to keep the serfs occupied, which you see with the way the elite controlled MSM bounces from economic meltdown, to Iran, to swine flu etc. while they don't stick with a single topic long enough so you can fully form an opinion and take action.. the lack of any form of real action on these issues is rather telling don't you think!

If anything I see the number of poor starving serfs growing, along with the poor becoming poorer, since that is actually the best way for the elite to control us. But the balance needs to be on that line of just enough to survive, since while you are focused on simply surviving you do not have the time or energy to rebel..

So I can not help but see us all as the same serfs as those who served the likes of the de Warenne family 900 years ago.. and a sad fact would be that some form of depopulation is the one of the few ways to readdress this situation.. and it saddens me to think this way.



[edit on 17/11/09 by thoughtsfull]

I think that number is a gross overestimate. I don't hear or read about anyone dying due to starvation here in the US...I'm certain that it happens, but if roughly 6% of the US population were too poor to eat, we would have morgues stacked w/emaciated corpses.

Just my 2-cents

Originally posted by Drunkenshrew
Those people mentioned aren't dying from starvation, they are hungry from time to time.

I agree that no child should go malnourished...and that's why I consistently contribute to food banks.

However, going hungry is not necessarily a bad thing. Hell, obese people go hungry sometimes, but that doesn't make it a crisis...more like a blessing in their cases. You want to see starvation see Ethiopia...want to see someone going hungry see the order line at McDonalds. When the US doesn't lead the world by leaps and bounds in the obesity department, then we may have a crisis on our hands...but hungry is that even a medical diagnosis...

Dr. to patient: "well, I regret to tell you, you are suffering from an acute case of hunger"

Yeah,
It's hard for a 12 year old to concentrate on x-box while talking on his cell about the new 120 dollar sneakers he got for his birthday when his mom made him eat generic cereal for breakfast.

This is a load.

Food stamps.

Almost all of these folks are eligible.

Originally posted by christianpatrick
Two eggs, 10 cents each, with two slices of toast, nickel a slice, 30 cents for breakfast. Package of raman noodles 15 cents with 1/4 of a pound package of mixed vegetables 25 cents, 40 cents for lunch. Two potatoes at 10 cents each, two frankfurters, 11 cents each, another 1/4 pound of mixed vegetables, 67 cents for supper. 67+40+30, $1.37 and sales tax for a days worth of food.

I was stuck without money for a while in 1991 and had a budget of 50 cents per day to spend on food. I could not, therefore, afford myself the delicacies you just described (yummy!), but I did survive. Oatmeal is not caviar, but it will do in a pinch. Sourcing protein is harder, but doable.

Fast forward to present day... I see people buying foods which I consider borderline luxury, with their foodstamps -- all the time.

I call the OP bovine dejecta.

Pity I missed this conversation last night, due to the time delay from the states you miss out on conversations in real time.

What I find interesting is the definition of poor and starving.

I know here in Australia, many of my friends and family have cut back on certain foods and certain things due to the uncertainty - although we are certainly not poor. Many people are doing without to make ends meet.

I feel for you guys in the states. Looks like a lot of people are doing it tough. Something has to happen soon to restore the balance.