Rat Made SuperSmart: Similar Boost Unsafe in Humans?, page 2

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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so you don't see any advantages in scientific advancement? i'm honestly surprised!! we're nowhere near the point of cosmetic genetic manipulation and, honestly, the beauty of blond hair and blue eyes is it's uniqueness. i can't see genetics being used for cosmetics in this way, perhaps to avoid aging.

there is one type of person who looks at the past through rose tinted glasses and draws lines in the sand while there's another type that has their mad bloodshot eyes so fixated on the future that they don't even notice the lines as they brush past them, i suspect society sits happily between the two.

reply to post by DaMod

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Interesting note on Eidetic Imagery... here

Interesting physiology, but I'm not sure that it's the same thing as modifying the NR2B gene in this test, which (as I understand it) has some form of control over the way in which brain cells communicate and that cell communication affects memory. I don't know, perhaps the two are different forms of memory related by similar genes (but not the same gene)...



[edit on 16-11-2009 by LadySkadi]

Originally posted by pieman
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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so you don't see any advantages in scientific advancement? i'm honestly surprised!! we're nowhere near the point of cosmetic genetic manipulation and, honestly, the beauty of blond hair and blue eyes is it's uniqueness. i can't see genetics being used for cosmetics in this way, perhaps to avoid aging.

there is one type of person who looks at the past through rose tinted glasses and draws lines in the sand while there's another type that has their mad bloodshot eyes so fixated on the future that they don't even notice the lines as they brush past them, i suspect society sits happily between the two.

I never said I did not see advantages of scientific advantage, I said I see the negative uses far outweighing the positivity that can be gained from it, there's a subtle difference between not seeing an advantage, and seeing the negativity outweighing the positive outcomes.

You can't see the use of genetics for cosmetic uses, but those bastards in Washington D.C. can, and as well the vain types of Hollywood can, that would trade age and wrinkles for a permanent face-lift to look younger.

Before you know it, we'll jump from gene-splicing rats in a laboratory, into cloning humans.

Part 1 - Cloning the first Human - BBC Horizon


Part 2 - Cloning the first Human - BBC Horizon


Part 3 - Cloning the first Human - BBC Horizon


Part 4 - Cloning the first Human - BBC Horizon


Part 5 - Cloning the first Human - BBC Horizon


Then the next step will be cross-breeding species, like humans with chimps, to make them super strong for military purposes, or with whatever abomination to give longevity towards life and then we have The Island of Dr Moreau.

The Island of Dr Moreau


I do not see ethics coming into play, by scientists, who would act as madmen.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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Thank you for the videos, great information about cloning issues
and where the scientific community is, with regards to ability.

reply to post by reasonable

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Great point.
I never considered the religious angle.

Originally posted by LadySkadi
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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Thank you for the videos, great information about cloning issues
and where the scientific community is, with regards to ability.

No problem, LadySkadi.

Cloning to me is just as wrong as gene-splicing and genetic manipulation.

Glad I could add to the thread.

reply to post by pieman

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I don't trust anyone in Government to be ethical.

Therefore, the scientists are not to be any more ethical.

There is a need for gene-splicing just as much as the need for a hole in the head.

Human's have been cloned, Dolly was not the first cloned mammal, I guarantee that.

reply to post by LadySkadi

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LadySkadi, my biggest problem with gene-splicing, genetic manipulation, etc ad naseum, is that they will use whatever means, whether legal, or illegal, to get these experiments done.

I am having some of the same, if not similar disagreements over on the thread below.

Welcome to the Clone Farm

The thread above is about cloning animals, and eating the cloned animals, and how the F.D.A. approved, or sanctioned, if you will, the cloning and consumption of those animals and their offspring.

As well as my previously stated commentary on it being unethical on the stance of it possibly ruining society in breeding us into extinction, I see this as a cost barrier to any middle class citizen and the lower income citizen.

If it is not sanctioned in the United States, they take advantage of N.A.F.T.A. and outsource to another continent to bypass using American workers, to bypass American laws, and as well it's that it will only be available to those who can afford it, meanwhile they will be sucking money from us tax-payers for scientific experiments which lead to breakthroughs that anyone under the million dollar a year income mark will never get to see the benefit of these experiments, unless they have bogus health insurance which I see as a major scam of them screwing the people one way, and screwing them the other way as well.

I just see this as plain wrong, because if you look at cloning, and the consumption of cloned animals, and as well as the F.D.A.'s track record of allowing so much rat feces, and other un-natural elements into our meat and foods, then this itself shows a lack of ethics, standards, and as well morals in dealing with human consumption of regular food, let alone clones animals.

If I buy meat, I expect it to be 100% clean of animal excrement, period.

That is a byproduct, that is not meant for consumption, and neither to me is eating cloned animals, because of course these cloned rats in the original post would be seen as the ever so innocuous animal byproducts through the use of political and industry euphemism, and your next McDonalds burger may in fact be a rat-burger.

They will do any damn things they want, and cover it up, using cute euphemisms.

[edit on 18-11-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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Too right on all you said, no scientist in government has any morals. They do horrendous things and always have done.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

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I completely missed that thread you referenced above...
I am off to read it now. Thanks for posting it here.

reply to post by LadySkadi

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LadySkadi, here is another link on "lab-grown meat" I thought was relevant to this thread.

Lab-Grown Meat a Reality, But Who Will Eat It?

With the ethics of law being cast away like a hooker's clothing, the breeding of animals just for meat, in a petri dish takes the callous cruelty out of the farmers hand, and puts it instead into the scientists hands.

I am speaking of the slaughterhouses that rotate faster than a puppy mill.

reply to post by LadySkadi

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Found this interesting, thanks. S&F.

I'm not sure I agree 100% with his hypothesis about not being able to forget bad memories. (Not that I'm a expert)

I don't think we "forget" bad memories, I think we "block" bad memories. Bad memories can easily be recalled during hypnosis for instance.

I think enhancing your ability to remember will do just that, you will remember all the correct answers (if you studied), you will remember lost ones faces, etc, etc, perhaps memorize different languages easier.

I think even with super memory, the human brain could still block the recall of a particular memory if it was so inclined.

Like the saying:
I have a great memory, its the recall that is flawed.

I wonder if they diferentiate between duration of memory & memory recall. I can forget something for instance, but recall it afterwards.

Anyway, thanks again.

reply to post by ByteChanger

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Glad you found it interesting, I do too!

I wonder if they differentiate between duration of memory & memory recall. I can forget something for instance, but recall it afterwards.

The scientists haven't gotten that far, there's no way to know. The tests on rats would suggest that memory recall is definitely used (otherwise how would they know to navigate the mazes?) but beyond that... anybody's guess.

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