well said Kayne, slowly slowly we are progressing towards potentially disastrous areas- how we have permitted the state to become our boss and not vice versa is beyond me- too much tv, alcohol, playstations etc?

The burning issue on most people's minds (it would appear) is which numpty is being voted off x factor

I wonder how long before corporate UK make demands that you have an ID card to get credit, open a bank account or get a job... I mean that has nothing to do with the Gov right, it would still a voluntary system, wouldn't it!

We're being screwed no matter what..

And why Manchester?

Simply because London is aware of whats going on and would reject it.

Manchester is always at the forefront of stupidity, No offence meant to the people of Manchester but like any city in the world there are the 'uneducated' and Manchester is one of the most run down cities in the UK having been there myself and leaving a day later I saw the city .
Manchesters people are deemed to be stupid by the Government or at least implicated to be stupid by the civil servants I have spoke to regarding these matters.
It'll be sold to be a 'fashion' item and a must have gadget and the people will queue up for it, I'm totally surprised they haven't got a footballer or 'celebrity' to endorse the cards yet, but give it time.
And as soon as the Government says " it works" you see how long it takes toget introduced to the rest of the country then RFID chips will be next.
My advice is DONT ACCEPT IT.
After all they tried with the new UK driving licence, you have the photo card with ALL the details on but you still need the paper copy otherwise its not valid, just another failed attempt. This one will be no different, just another bit of personal information you'll have to 'keep on you , just in case' and that you can lose allowing identity theft.

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I think that is an odd pro London anti Manchester post

Londoners aint that smart, it is hardly even an English city anymore

fair enough, can agree with that

Originally posted by blueorder
The burning issue on most people's minds (it would appear) is which numpty is being voted off x factor

Its laughable but its soo true.

I know who I am, dont need a card to tell me that.

And certainly not paying 30 quid for one.



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Originally posted by merkava

Originally posted by blueorder
The burning issue on most people's minds (it would appear) is which numpty is being voted off x factor

Its laughable but its soo true.

It was the front page story for quite a few newspapers yesterday.

Welcome to dumbed down UK. One of the most depressed nations on earth who show more interest in voting for talentless teenagers than voting to change their political system or even make an effort to understand it.
We blame the poor or the immigrants for our problems happily being divided, while the banks rob us blind. Go Jedward

Originally posted by DataWraith
And why Manchester?

Simply because London is aware of whats going on and would reject it.

Manchester is always at the forefront of stupidity, No offence meant to the people of Manchester but like any city in the world there are the 'uneducated' and Manchester is one of the most run down cities in the UK having been there myself and leaving a day later I saw the city .

Manchesters people are deemed to be stupid by the Government or at least implicated to be stupid by the civil servants I have spoke to regarding these matters.

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Interesting.....

Manchesters not run down, it has the second largest and fastest growing economy in the UK.

As for being at the forefront of stupidity and London not standing for it who ended up with a congestion charge and who stood up for and succesfully stopped it?

I suggest you spend more than a day somewhere and get to fully understand it before writing it off!

I agree about the footballers promoting the card though, the queue for an ID card would be massive. Sadly it would be queueing out of the city, down the M56 and onto the M6 like everytime united play at home.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
It was the front page story for quite a few newspapers yesterday.

Welcome to dumbed down UK. One of the most depressed nations on earth who show more interest in voting for talentless teenagers than voting to change their political system or even make an effort to understand it.
We blame the poor or the immigrants for our problems happily being divided, while the banks rob us blind. Go Jedward

maybe we, as a nation, get the politicans and establishment we deserve

Originally posted by DataWraith

Manchester is always at the forefront of stupidity, No offence meant to the people of Manchester but like any city in the world there are the 'uneducated' and Manchester is one of the most run down cities in the UK having been there myself and leaving a day later I saw the city .
Manchesters people are deemed to be stupid by the Government or at least implicated to be stupid by the civil servants I have spoke to regarding these matters.

What an absolute joke of a post. People in Manchester are not as idiotic as you think. That is typical Southern hostility and has no basis in this forum you nasty, insulting person.

Please grow up before you even consider posting your obnoxious drivel on this thread again.

Did we not see thousands of people protesting in Manchester against the war in 2006? Did we not see clashes with the police when the UAF and the EDL came to march against each other. Did we not see marches of the NO2ID in 2005 and 2007 (?) in Manchester.

This, my friend is proof that people are active and not as docile as your misguided belief seems to suggest.

I have seen first hand the reactionary attitudes of people in both Liverpool and Manchester and i've seen the pathetic excuse for a protest in London. So please don't give me your holier than thou rubbish.

Please go back to London and stay there (preferably wall yourself in) if this is the value of the content of your post.

What absolute tripe.

Originally posted by blueorder
well said Kayne, slowly slowly we are progressing towards potentially disastrous areas- how we have permitted the state to become our boss and not vice versa is beyond me- too much tv, alcohol, playstations etc?

The burning issue on most people's minds (it would appear) is which numpty is being voted off x factor

Yes our lives have been filled with all the materialism a man can consume! We are all to busy to see whats in front of us and when fully awake people like the ones here on ATS try to open the sheeps eyes, we are either called loony tunes or they simply believe but dont care.

What are we to do i ask?

Originally posted by mr-lizard
What an absolute joke of a post. People in Manchester are not as idiotic as you think. That is typical Southern hostility and has no basis in this forum you nasty, insulting person.

Please grow up before you even consider posting your obnoxious drivel on this thread again.

Did we not see thousands of people protesting in Manchester against the war in 2006? Did we not see clashes with the police when the UAF and the EDL came to march against each other. Did we not see marches of the NO2ID in 2005 and 2007 (?) in Manchester.

This, my friend is proof that people are active and not as docile as your misguided belief seems to suggest.

I have seen first hand the reactionary attitudes of people in both Liverpool and Manchester and i've seen the pathetic excuse for a protest in London. So please don't give me your holier than thou rubbish.

Please go back to London and stay there (preferably wall yourself in) if this is the value of the content of your post.

What absolute tripe.

whilst I agree that Manchester should not be singled out- using protest involving the UAF, does not, in my opinion, add to your argument

The UAF is followed by the biggest bunch of hypocritical waster you could imagine- and ironically, act in a manner akin to fascism

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I remember a couple of years ago when the government first mentioned the I.D cards as a way of controlling immigration, what they didnt mention was that it is the labour government that allowed so many asylum seekers and what not into the country.

Now we are seeing clashes with EDL and UAF on our streets, I wonder if they are going to incorporate the selling of these cards with the use of immigration once again?

Originally posted by kayne1982
I remember a couple of years ago when the government first mentioned the I.D cards as a way of controlling immigration, what they didnt mention was that it is the labour government that allowed so many asylum seekers and what not into the country.

Now we are seeing clashes with EDL and UAF on our streets, I wonder if they are going to incorporate the selling of these cards with the use of immigration once again?

It will be despicable if they tie it into immigration- liars and traitors in charge that we have, though, it would not surprise me.

If we had a "robust" government we could remove most illegals without the need for ID cards