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'We...found their lungs are as black as charcoal."

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posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 07:34 AM
Good grief. Anything that can have this effect so quickly on one's lung's, provided this is indeed what is causing it...must be very quick and powerful, and a terribly painful way to die. Think about it. Like a combination of emphysema/asthma/bronchitis/cancer.

Dying, trying to force air into your previously healthy lungs.

Not a very pleasant thought. Let's hope it's coal dust.

Does anybody know if any action has been taken to protect our country?
Limited air flight, etc.?

This is a scary scenario.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 07:43 AM
reply to post by Locke23

It sounds like the old form of bubonic plague that has been aerosolized into pneumonic plague. Back in the 14th century this version of the plague ravaged Europe because it was spread via breathing, coughing and sneezing. When you got it, you were dead in under 48 hours, the cure cannot come fast enough and 98% die from it.

The lungs are black because the bacteria force the cells lining the lungs to explode and bleed out occurs very quickly, drowning the patient.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 08:13 AM
The Pneumonic plague as a result of the Bubonic plague

Intelligence Encyclopedia: Bubonic Plague

“A concern of health and defense officials is the possible deliberate introduction of plague—or the exploitation of plague—as a terrorist weapon. Plague causing microorganisms are highly lethal, highly transmissible, and relatively easy to develop as terrorist weapons.

Bubonic plague is transmitted via fleas infected with Yersinia pestis. Pneumonic plague results from plague bacterium investing lung tissue. Pneumonic plague exhibits an airborne form of transmission. Infection occurs from breathing aerosolized bacteria. Untreated pneumonic plague is highly lethal.

Bubonic plague is a disease that is typically passed from rodents to other animals and humans via the bite of a flea. The flea acquires the bacterium that causes the disease as it lives on the skin of the rodent. Humans can also acquire the disease by direct contact with infected tissue.

The bacterium Pasteurella pestis is also known as Yersinia pestis, after one of its co-discoverers, Alexandre Yersin.

Prior to 1970, both United States and Soviet biological weapons programs developed techniques that enabled weapons developers to aerosolize plague particles.

Bubonic plague is named because of the symptoms. The bacterial infection produces a painful swelling of the lymph nodes. These are called buboes. Often the first swelling is evident in the groin. During the Middle Ages, a pandemic of bubonic plague was referred to as the Black Death, because of the blackening of the skin due to the dried blood that accumulated under the skin's surface.

The bubonic plague has been a significant cause of misery and death throughout recorded history. The Black Death is only one of many epidemics of plague that extended back to the beginning of recorded history. The first recorded outbreak of bubonic plague was in 542–543.

This plague destroyed the attempts of the Roman emperor of the day to re-establish a Roman empire in Europe. This is only one example of how bubonic plague has changed the course of history.

The plague of London in 1665 killed over 17,000 people (almost twenty percent of the city's population). This outbreak was quelled by a huge fire that destroyed most of the city.

The disease remains present to this day. In North America, the last large epidemic occurred in Los Angeles in 1925. With the advent of the antibiotic era, bubonic plague has been controlled in the developed world. However, sporadic cases (e.g., 10 to 15 cases each year) still occur in the western United States. In less developed countries (e.g., in Africa, Bolivia, Peru, Ecuador, Brazil) thousands of cases are reported each year.

The infrequency of bubonic plague outbreaks does not mean the disease disappears altogether. Rather, the disease normally exists in what is called an enzootic state. That is, a few individuals of a certain community (e.g., rodents) harbor the disease. Sometimes, however, environmental conditions cause the disease to spread through the carrier population, causing loss of life. As the rodent populations dies, the fleas that live on them need to find other food sources. This is when the interaction with humans and non-rodent animals can occur. Between outbreaks, Yersinia pestis infects rodents without causing much illness. Thus, the rodents become a reservoir of the infection.

Symptoms of infection in humans begin within days after contamination with the plague bacterium. The bacteria enter the bloodstream and travel to various organs (e.g., kidney, liver, spleen, lungs) as well as to the brain. Symptoms include shivering, nausea with vomiting, headache, intolerance to light, and a whitish-appearing tongue. Buboes then appear, followed by rupture of blood vessels. The released blood can coagulate and turn black.

If the infection is untreated, the death rate in humans approaches 75%. Prompt treatment most often leads to full recovery and a life-long immunity from further infection. Prevention is possible, since a vaccine is available. Unfortunately, the vaccine is protective for only a few months. Use of the vaccine is usually reserved for those who will be at high risk for acquiring the bacterial infection (e.g., soldiers, travelers to an outbreak region). Antibiotics such as tetracycline or sulfonamide are used more commonly as a precaution for those who might be exposed to the bacterium. Such use of antibiotics should be stopped once the risk of infection is gone, to avoid the development of resistance in other bacteria resident in the body.

The most effective way to prevent bubonic plague is the maintenance of adequate sanitary conditions. This acts to control the rodent population, especially in urban centers.

In 1970, a World Health Organization study concluded that deliberate dissemination of 110 lbs (50 kg) of aerosolized Y pestis over a city with a population of approximately 5 million people could potentially result in 150,000 cases of pneumonic plague. Half of these cases would require advanced medical care and approximately 20% would be expected to perish.”

Wikipedia: Bubonic plague
This article is about the disease in general. For information about the medieval European plague, see Black Death.

“Bubonic plague is the best known manifestation of the bacterial disease plague, caused by the Gram-negative bacterium Yersinia pestis (formerly known as Pasteurella pestis). It belongs to the family Enterobacteriaceae. The term "bubonic plague" was often used synonymously for plague, but it does in fact refer specifically to an infection that enters through the skin and travels through the lymphatics, as is often seen in flea-borne infections. Bubonic plague kills about half of infected patients in 3–7 days without treatment, and may be the Black Death that swept through Europe in the 1340s, killing tens of millions.[1]”

Could this new plague be a mutated virus intended as a Bio-terrorism weapon ?

“Plague was used during the Second Sino-Japanese War as a bacteriological weapon by the Imperial Japanese Army. These weapons were provided by Shirō Ishii's units and used in experiments on humans before being used on the field. For example, in 1940, the Imperial Japanese Army Air Service bombed Ningbo with fleas carrying the bubonic plague.[3] During the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials the accused, such as Major General Kiyashi Kawashima, testified that, in 1941, some 40 members of Unit 731 air-dropped plague-contaminated fleas on Changde. These operations caused epidemic plague outbreaks.[4]”

It does make me consider the question..
Is this new death machine a“man made”
“Andromeda Strain“???

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 08:36 AM

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by really

The media ignores much lately....

Maybe there's too much of it, too fast.

Well, this morning, it's on DRUDGE.

Presumably, now the noise will begin:


A DEADLY plague could sweep across Europe, doctors fear, after an outbreak of a virus in Ukraine plunged the country and its neighbours into a state of panic.

A cocktail of three flu viruses are reported to have mutated into a single pneumonic plague, which it is believed may be far more dangerous than swine flu. The death toll has reached 189 and more than 1 million people have been infected, most of them in the nine regions of Western Ukraine.


“People are dying. The epidemic is killing doctors. This is absolutely inconceivable in the 21st Century.”

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 08:37 AM

Originally posted by trueforger
reply to post by spitefulgod

"Boring" because TWZ called it mebbe?Bet it wasn't boring for that microbiologist getting surrounded and tazered and hauled off.Bet he's not bored about right now.

Instead of calling the bad guys 'bastards' let's call 'em Baxterds.

No... boring because everyday is doomsday on ATS, yet nothing comes of it... The next crash is "just round the corner", martial law is happening tomorrow, Disclosure is at the end of the week and pandemic population reduction is somewhere in the middle. It's boring because it ain't gonna happen.

[edit on 16/11/2009 by spitefulgod]

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 08:41 AM
reply to post by spitefulgod

Originally posted by spitefulgod
It's boring because it ain't gonna happen.

Here's to you being right.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 08:55 AM
reply to post by whattheh

In addition Glaxo's Defence contractor Vangent is the one running the CDC website so everything goes through Glaxo's client beafore it gets posted to CDC website. They control all of the information.

I'm scared enough of the CDC controlling the information flow.

This is something I don't get. Why do people trust the CDC at all? All this "cytokine storm", squalene, CJ2 Pyroxdoniffxquin, blah, blah, blah. If the military were telling people all this same stuff, would we believe it so readily?

I'm really not trying to be rude. It just seems people get caught up in so many small details, missing the big picture. If this is a depop event, then wouldn't the elites pull out all the stops for this one? Distract people with Army shooters, celeb gossip, etc? All the PSYOPs they could muster? (Saturday April 25, Mex. President Calderon declares a state of emergency. Monday April 27, Air Force One flies into New York City. Residents describe feeling like they are under attack like in 9-11. (Obama cannot produce the pictures the plane was supposedly there for to begin with). People watch the news, plane flying into NYC. Next news item, swine flu panic in Mexico. Bam. People's fear of 9-11 is transferred to the new swine flu.)

The media is controlled by them. Nothing would get out that they wouldn't want to get out. No amount of trolling the fine print on the side of a vaccine box is going to "out" them. No amount of people I've never met saying they have gotten "swine" flu is going to convince me that this is real. The CDC counts "ILI" influenza like illness as swine flu without even testing.

Oh yeah, and when it does get tested, the CDC is the one doing the test! And when it does get tested by an outside lab, they use the CDC's test kit!

Sorry for the rant.
What "REALLY" said a few pages back:

No, it totally makes sense. You come out with a highly contagious virus with a fairly low mortality rate and have the media blow it up. Come out with a vaccine that people argue over whether or not to take it. People believe first that the flu is a conspiracy then that the real conspiracy is the vaccine. However, they are just steps 1 and 2 to the conspiracy. The third step is to have the WHO and medical surveys worldwide count all flu like illnesses as swine flu. Then, you come out with a superflu or some sort of pathogen that people will say is a mutated swine flu. People start vaccinating using the swine flu vaccine and die. Truly diabolical. The whole time, they're making money off of the vaccine and the media, etc.

Thanks for a great summary.

The vaccines are the payload. And they are NOT all the same. Not by company, not by geographic location, not by timeframe. Regular vaccines are bad enough and cause death themselves, BUT, there is coming very shortly, a very big push (this is when we see the media hype the Ukraine outbreak) and all of a sudden mass vaccination across many countries (hence all the countries coming into "production problems", safety inspections, bureacratic SNAFUs, what have you. It is coordinated so as to have most countries involved at the same time.) At that time, a selected percentage of the vaccinated will die. Which is why they want everyone vaccinated, so that it is not obvious," hey, they didn't take it and they're fine".

Logically, the elites want control and a disease running rampant that really could mutate out of their control is not in their best interests. If one could fake a disease that would make people get vax'd, wouldn't that be preferable? And yes, they need a catalyst to actually make people really die so they will be afraid. Aerial spraying a disease/poison onto people would fit the bill nicely.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 09:11 AM
reply to post by Staafke

I like this video.

If Moshe truly was a Mossad agent, his intention to go public about the Baxter bioweapon was something graciously noble.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 09:30 AM
reply to post by loam

I gotta say 'thanks to the docs for bringing it into the UK'

Why couldn't they just do all their analysis out in the Ukraine?

And they need to create more of it in order to determine what it is.....


I'm betting that this virus has been concocted by a terrorist group and not the Government as some people are saying.... don't forget there are people in this world who wouldn't give a toss of messing about with bio-weapons....

Lets hope it doesn't spread like the swine-flu otherwise we could be in some deep #

[edit on 16-11-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 09:36 AM

Originally posted by DontTreadOnMe
Well, it's been reported in Ukraine it is 100% certain pneumonic plague:

Situation Update No. 39
On 16.11.2009 at 04:22 GMT+2

Ukrainian News Agency "Fraza" reported that, according to informed sources, "it has been confirmed 100 % Pneumonic Plague in Ukraine". The Agency asserts that "the head physician of the medical institutions has sent out an informal disposal - not to sow panic, to refute the information about the plague, and to speak only of swine influenza".

Scary, bad news.

The alert map says 256 dead out of 1.2 million infected (a low fatality rate), but with a "large" damage level (??? black lungs? chronic disease and long term disability???)...

My comments:

1. This all started some time ago - I absolutely do NOT believe it hasn't spread well beyond the Ukraine already.

2. "Pneumonic plague" IS the flu - and the reported symptoms parallel the cytokine storm described in the "superflu" caused by H5N1 bird flu and H1N1 swine flu.

Also from your link:

"The situation is complicated and unpredictable. We found a strain of this virus in our laboratory ... This virus is dangerous because it can mutate, and we can get a very different kind of virus, which was in Latin America or in Mexico, now it is European ", - said Lazoryshynets at a press conference, the "Correspondent" magazine informs. [First Deputy Minister of Health Mr. Lazoryshynets]

Sounds like the H1N1 swine flu pandemic strain mutated, and now we're facing a new bug. Probably not the last mutation we'll have to deal with in this pandemic.

...I will do some research and get back to you.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:04 AM
One of the greatest advantages the elite have is time. The old scenario where a frog is thrown into boiling water and he jumps out immediately. Then when put into cooler water with the heat being turned up slowly, and he'll sit there and get boiled alive.

Many of you nay-sayers have been brought up through the the point in time that the frog is loosing his senses from the heat without realizing it.

For example; if you were to throw the populous from the sixties into today, the shock would cause them to rebel without hesitation; and they would quite literally change the world immediately.

People like Baxter would immediately be properly crushed and grounded into the dirt; and many other issues would immediately be dealt with. Let me see it took say, a week for the ferrets to die when one good lab technician was sensible enough to test the vaccine. So what was the reason Baxter, "can't" test it? Just because?

Ok fine. Duh; they're trying, but they just can't test it! It's impossible! Ok dumb arses. Gee! It's impossible to inject 10 ferrets and wait one week; but we can cover thousands of people at a time! Yeah! We have to make sure we have mercury and squalene in some too!

So here's my take on the crowd of nay-sayers; You're either very young and impressionable, being raised in the time that the frog is beginning to die; or being dumbed down, just very ignorant of the facts, being led around by the PTBs' ring through your nose, otherwise you're just plain stupid/evil and consciously moving in agreement with the intention of containment and depopulation of the Earth.

The amount of ignorance here really makes me consider leaving ATS.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by noconsequence]

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:04 AM
This news seems to support what I've been reading about how this 'thing' was engineered, with nanotechnology specifically so it could seriously attack the lungs.

Vitamin D, Silver, Neem Oil.... we have some interesting times ahead. I still say, don't fear it, the fear will lower your resistance. Acknowledge it and care for your self. Best to all.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:17 AM
You never know, the H1N1 vaccine could possibly help along this particular virus. It's only a matter of time before this travels elsewhere.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:18 AM
reply to post by angelx666

You people who are blaming the Governments for this outbreak really need to take a long hard look at yourselves... do you really believe that the Governments would let loose a 'bubonic plague' likeness? You are deluded!!

If this is a plague of sorts it's more than likely been concocted by some terrorist organisation as i said above..... or i should add... it's a mutated virus of swine flu & something else.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist]

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:19 AM
Maybe this is the Perfect Microbial Storm scientists have been warning about for years, maybe it's just another step towards it. But I just scanned the whole thread, read the Alex Jones article someone posted and I have to say it again...

Living cells are the best bio-weapons labs in the world - walking labs that are far, far superior to the best equipped, most expensive high-tech variety funded by any government, military or industry. So piss off about the bio-weapons. At this point, accidentally or purposefully released bioweapons are just one factor in a multitude of synthetic and natural factors leading us inexorably towards a Perfect Microbial Storm.

We have created a world that virtually forces micro-organisms to mutate - they ARE mutating, have been for some time, and DO affect complex organisms - we're just beginning to notice some of the effects.

In 2003 we still could have stopped it (maybe) - by regulating industrial agriculture and animal husbandry - but we didn't. We could regulate nano-tech - but we don't. We could have taken other steps too, but we didn't. The list goes on.

In fact, we don't take any of the steps that might prevent micro-organisms already present in our environment from mutating and evolving into superbugs and superflus and superplagues - and coming together in a Perfect Microbial Storm.

PLEASE - stop looking for a single cause boogeyman. We are it - multi-faceted, multi-dimensional, multi-factorial.

There is NO single cause, NO single effect, NO single cure. And we don't have a hope of fixing the problem until collectively we recognize and acknowledge its true dimensions.

- sofi

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:20 AM
Great thread,the only place I heard about this story is on ATS,now Drudge? way to get the word out, good job Loam.Cheers


posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:25 AM
reply to post by spitefulgod

Boring is as brother Ostrich does.
In the fable,that's how the head gets in there.
Going round and round,
head to ground,
don't see nothin'
Hear no sound.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:30 AM
Forgive my apparent ignorance, but other then other conspercy websites I can find no refrence to a bio weapon reserch department in Baxter International. They have admitted to some shoddy goods and some over charging, but as for weapons grade biological material, I would think that this would have to be known by the CDC at least. I think this is just a plain old case of people dieing of some new natural virus or bacteria. And the article does say 'Looks burnt' not 'is burnt' two diffrent things.

posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:40 AM
Found this article that says the worst of it is scheduled for mid to late December.


posted on Nov, 16 2009 @ 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Obinhi

I think this is just a plain old case of people dieing of some new natural virus or bacteria.

Please see above:



The Perfect Microbial Storm

- sofi

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