'We...found their lungs are as black as charcoal."

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Hey Squiz, my children have had dozens each, I wonder what all damage I had done to me in the military. They lined use up in boot camp and hyposprayed and syringed us with god knows what. Dozens of shots in a day, four different days. Sometimes, I would say that 80% of us were sick as dogs after the inoculations.

Genetic sequences from Ukraine have been posted to the GISAID database. These are not "officially" released from the WHO but are probably an attempt to release them without a lot of attention. (They are verified as genuine Ukraine samples). Analysis is underway as I type this but we already have some bad news...

In the interest of ATS getting the news first:

One of the two small mutations theorized to be in the Ukraine samples has been confirmed.

D225G a receptor binding domain change makes the swine flu much more virulent in the lungs.

This mutation brings the H1N1 virus closer to the 1918 virus as it was in the third and deadliest wave.

Two samples from Brazil also contained this and one other small mutation.

This mutation has no effect on transmission of the virus and will not impact the function of the vaccines against the virus. It does mean that more of the infected will die from the various lung symptoms described so many times in this thread.

More to follow as the analysis continues....

reply to post by ecoparity
Star for the news. Thanks for keeping on top of it for everyone. Seems like a long time coming out with it on the WHO's part. Now... can we believe it? not saying we shouldn't, just looks like some cover-up or at least very little coverage going on. Why?



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Well, It's not really a surprise for me. Dr Niman predicted this and is being proven right as usual. Other virologists I speak with also predicted this.

Now to see if the other mutation will be confirmed, I hope not because this one is pretty bad news. We really don't need more of that right now.

As for the believe it part - thats' up to each of you individually. Some won't and that's their business. All I plan to do from now on is share the real information and let those who want it, have it.

Those who want to continue to follow the blog disinfo can enjoy being surprised in various ways from here out.

This isn't something that can be manipulated really, there are too many disconnected parties involved. The WHO probably made the quiet release to GISAID because the other medical research teams from neighboring countries were going to release their sequences anyway.

The World press will be looking to the WHO for a statement on them so they can keep a lid on things a bit longer by just not commenting on them. Only Dr Niman's followers, other virologists and researchers and we on ATS will have this news for a while.

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Actually if you read the history of the 1918 pandemic it was a combination of various viruses that brought the waves of infections even studies has been shady.

So to say that the Ukraine bug is a "mutation" of swine flu is really something that we most question with all the information gathered about the pandemics before and after 1918.

For some reason with not major studies as how the pandemic of 1918 origins since then all pandemics outbreak small and big has been tagged as the result of 1918, when we had pandemics as deadly before that, I find this misleading.

1918 Influenza: the Mother of All Pandemics

www.cdc.gov...

The believe that the pandemic of 1918 was the cause of one maga virus is wrong and misguiding, history tells that it was many factors that cause the deadly pandemic.

And for some reason Pneumonia and old age disease is always primarily behind the deaths.

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I really don't know why or what you're complaining about but OK.

No one said anything about the make up of the virus. H1N1 is A virus, not a bunch of them and when people refer to the 1918 swine flu pandemic they are referring to THE swine flu virus.

Of course they have RNA components from various sources. All flu viruses do but why this is a point of contention for you escapes me. H1N1 is made of a couple of swine components, a human component and an avian component. The 1918 flu was almost exactly the same. The only difference is where and when those components were re assorted into the virus, of course.

Dr Niman Commentary on Changes to H1N1 Ukraine Sequences

Receptor Binding Domain Change D225G Confirmed in Ukraine
Recombinomics Commentary 14:41
November 18, 2009
Mill Hill has released a series of sequences from patients in Ukraine. Four of the samples had the receptor binding domain change D225G. Three samples were from lung, one from a throat swab.

Samples with D255G are listed below

A/Lviv/N6/2009

A/Lviv/N2/2009

A/Ternopil/N11/2009

A/Ternopil/N10/2009

All HA samples also had a Ukraine specific marker that had been previously found in swine.

More detailed analysis to follow.

Commentary

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Sorry but this is a discussion board and that is what we do, I don't know where the "complain" you are claiming about comes from. . . perhaps because no everybody subscribe to the same way of thinking as you . . . when it comes to the H1N1 pandemic, the Ukraine out brake and the Spanish influenza of 1918?

I have my own overview of every thing just like you, nohting is final yet.

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So what that means, that everything that comes out that looks like flu like symptoms is all to be tagged swine flu? I guess we should rewrite history and make all the major pandemics of the world history swine flu.

Sounds like agenda to me.

Quit sidestepping and answer my question and maybe we can both figure out what you're talking about.

You're the one who used the term "misleading" so please explain yourself. I've read your post several times and I'm really not sure what it is you're getting at.

The 1918 pandemic was not caused by a series of diseases, it was caused by A flu virus. The article you posted even says that so what exactly are you taking issue with, please?

All I did was post the news that the sequences are out and what the preliminary analysis is. You're response is kind of "out there" and what agenda is served by me posting that is way beyond me to understand.

Is this your anti vaccine and Baxter conspiracy agenda at work, perhaps?

Christ, you can't even share breaking news on ATS now without the conspiracy cops flying up to taze you.....

I don't want to debate the virus and the vaccines, it's a waste of time. You don't want facts you want your story so have at it. If you have an issue with the sequences or the analysis of them go find a virologist to analyze them and present your counter. I'm not the one doing the assay on them.

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Dr Niman Commentary on Changes to H1N1 Ukraine Sequences

Receptor Binding Domain Change D225G Confirmed in Ukraine
Recombinomics Commentary 14:41
November 18, 2009
Mill Hill has released a series of sequences from patients in Ukraine. Four of the samples had the receptor binding domain change D225G. Three samples were from lung, one from a throat swab.

Samples with D255G are listed below

A/Lviv/N6/2009

A/Lviv/N2/2009

A/Ternopil/N11/2009

A/Ternopil/N10/2009

All HA samples also had a Ukraine specific marker that had been previously found in swine.

More detailed analysis to follow.

Commentary

a new plaugue to look forward to

Just posting a few interesting articles I stumbled across thanks to Google. I know many people skimming these threads are looking for new facts and articles, so please give these a look.

Swine Flu Shots Available to All Canadians - Interesting since British Columbia had their little outbreak last week.

WHO Finally Releases Something - Bull#, but at least they released something.

Six in New Jersey die to Swine Flu within 9 day period - "The recent string of deaths does not mean the H1N1 flu, as it is also known, has turned into a more deadly virus since the first outbreak in the spring"

11 Swine Flu Deaths Last Week in Wisconsin

New Common Cold Virus Mistaken For Swine Flu - Can this be to try and downplay Ukraine's situation?

More info on Ukraine Analysis

Recombinomics Commentary 21:53, November 18, 2009, Dr Henry Niman

RBD Change D225G in Ukraine Lungs Raises Concerns

Mill Hill, a WHO regional center in London has placed sequences from 10 isolates from Ukraine on deposit at GISAID (see list below). They are to be commended for the prompt deposit of these important sequences. The availability of the sequences should put an end to wild speculation on the origins of the Ukraine outbreak.

All H and N sequences are typical for H1N1, as indicated in early WHO announcements. There are no large changes. Additional gene segments have been deposited from a subset of these isolates (but not analyzed below). There are silent changes that are in all or most Ukraine sequences, but the only HA polymorphism was the receptor binding domain change, D225G. This polymorphism was in the three lung, as well as the one throat sample. It was not in the nasopharyngeal washes or the isolate grown in MDCK cells suggesting the D225G may have a tissue tropism component and may allow for high levels of virus in the lung.

D225G was also found in necropsy lung tissue from fatal cases in Sao Paulo, further supporting tissue tropism associated with this polymorphism. The polymorphism has recently appeared on a series of different genetic backgrounds, supporting acquisition by recombination. The genetic backgrounds were geographically diverse. It was appended onto a genetic background specific for China as well as another distinct background found in Singapore and Japan. It has also recently appeared on backgrounds from Spain and Brazil. In addition, it was in isolates from last spring collected in the United States and Mexico.

The appearance of D225G on multiple recent genetic backgrounds raises concerns that the polymorphism is offering a selective advantage in association with multiple genetic backgrounds, and the selective detection of the polymorphism in lung and throat samples may indicate it is more widespread because of its absence from nasopharyngeal washes. Lung and throat sampling may be required for detection and determination of the true geograpohical reach of this change..

More information on outcomes for these patients, as well as results for lung and nasopharyngeal samples from the same patient, would be useful.

The prompt release of these sequences should help guide further analysis of the evolving swine H1N1.

A/Khmelnitsky/1/2009 EPI_ISL_62017
A/Ternopil/19/2009 EPI_ISL_62016
A/Ternopil/11/2009* EPI_ISL_62015
A/Ternopil/6/2009 EPI_ISL_62014
A/Ternopil/5/2009 EPI_ISL_62013
A/Lviv/N6/2009* EPI_ISL_62012
A/Ternopil/N11/2009 EPI_ISL_62011
A/Ternopil/N10/2009 EPI_ISL_62010
A/Lviv/N2/2009* EPI_ISL_62009
A/Kyiv/N1/2009 EPI_ISL_62008

* D225G

Good RT report. They actually talk about chemtrail theories and the exhuming of victims of the 1918 pandemic.



www.youtube.com...

From another Flu thread, there might be an issue with more negative test false results:

More technical info on how the new shift might be impacting the swab testing:

If the swab is collected properly but still generating a negative, the involvement of D225G could be a ratio issue. If the ratio is swinging in favor of D225G which drives the virus to the lungs, then the virus may get cleared more quickly from the upper respiratory tract and register a negative becasue the virus has moved to the lungs.

This happened with H5N1 in Turkey, which involved another receptor domain change S227N. As a result the throat swabs of the patients were negative, but lung samples were positive. It is likely that mixtures were in play then also.

Thus, the frequency of negatives in upper respiratory tract increases as RBD changes drive the virus deep into lungs.

The bug is in such a hurry to get into the lungs now it might actually be clearing the nasal cavity mucho pronto.

Heh - see what I mean? The virologists always assume the nurse screwed up the swab. LOL

-If you feel like you have the flu and test negative -and- your symptoms move from upper respiratory to lungs in a big hurry I'd demand the Tamiflu and start taking it right away based on this info.

I have a question. The swine flu (H1N1) virus has just gone through my household. My wife and I were as sick as dogs. They gave her Tamiflu and I got anti-biotics because it turned into a nasty chest infection. If this new strain of the flu comes around, do I have the chance of getting it again?? Any of you medically-savvy types want to answer that for me please???

Just another question. I haven't really seen alot about this on the North American MSM. How many Americans/Canadians are aware of what's really going on in the Ukraine??? I'm sure If more people over here knew there would be more wide spread panic over this................

Originally posted by ARNOMANNN
I have a question. The swine flu (H1N1) virus has just gone through my household. My wife and I were as sick as dogs. They gave her Tamiflu and I got anti-biotics because it turned into a nasty chest infection. If this new strain of the flu comes around, do I have the chance of getting it again?? Any of you medically-savvy types want to answer that for me please???

Why the hell would you take antibiotics for a virus?

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A lot of swine flu patients end up with secondary UR infections, especially pneumonia. Most of the Mexico victims prior to Mexico City actually died from the longer term Pneumonia rather than the immediate swine flu.

The clinic Doctors in the villages began giving swine flu patients antibiotics and the instances of secondary infections dropped enabling more to survive. The WHO failed to share this information with other countries, however.