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reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 09:09 PM by squiz
reply to post by badgerprints



No offense friend, but that is another one of the Lies.

When a cattle breeder named Benjamin Jesty supposedly found himself immune to smallpox after having contracted cowpox from his own cows, he decided to inoculate his entire family with cowpox lesions. This was in 1774. Such a procedure was well known to the populace, since the practice of inoculation with the actual smallpox virus had been popular in England since the 1740s, with often deadly results. Twenty years after Jesty and others experimented on themselves with cowpox inoculations, Edward Jenner, a notorious self-promoter, went a step further. He inoculated a child with cowpox and then injected the child with a deadly dose of smallpox. Luckily, the child did not die. This experiment led Jenner to publicize his theory of vaccination in 1796, which quickly became an accepted, and required, practice without any scientific experimentation or medical studies to prove the vaccine's effectiveness.

Despite the initial widespread popularity of vaccination, no one actually proved that the cowpox vaccine prevented smallpox, and many critics insisted that the vaccine did not work. Physicians were especially skeptical about the ability of cowpox to prevent smallpox


In fact the new cowpox vaccination often did transfer other contagious and deadly diseases to recipients, especially syphilis, leprosy, and tuberculosis.


www.hpakids.org...

I'll say it again vaccination creates disease.



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reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 10:10 PM by mopusvindictus
reply to post by squiz



Your right bro... In the end...

Conspiracy or no, we have known for a long time now what we are doing is creating weaker immune systems and weaker people and stronger and stronger bugs...

The Vaccine by my theory MUST create stronger versions of a disease like flu because it's a disease that mutates rapidly...

I think vaccines really do work against some diseases that don't adapt quickly but not the FLU

If you vaccinate so many people against Flu... and the disease is going around and enters the body... of a Billion Virus a few will mutate against your immune systems response and your going to Rapidly increase the speed in which the Flu Becomes a Super Flu

Some diseases aren't right for Vaccination... The Common Cold and Flu are 2 of them...

They are creating a MONSTEROUS situation here... Polio might not shift gears so fast in the body and a pre generated immune response will work...

This just isn't right for the Flu... they are either idiots or Evil



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reply posted on 17-11-2009 @ 10:28 PM by amatrine
reply to post by unityemissions



You have heard the phrase madd with power. I think madness is the word you are looking for.


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 04:12 AM by Izarith
reply to post by unityemissions



Thats an interesting Question.

I think we all are actually dumb, wicked psychos at some point of our lives. Some of us realise this and try to become better people most don't tho.

But all in all we only follow what we want no mater which wicked spycho or dumb, wicked psycho or good person is leading.

Izzy.


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 07:16 AM by squiz
Originally posted by ecoparity
Vaccines are useful within a narrow set of diseases. The drive to create all these new vaccines for every ill is a misuse of them and should be examined carefully.


Rather than argue the other points, I'll agree to this one. A very narrow range. But even those like measles vaccine (which appears to have success), have a disturbing past. And large outbreaks have still occurred in the vaccinated. Although children have been damaged and killed by the "useful ones" as well.

There's a lot more than just mercury to be concerned about.

I wouldn't mind seeing where those autism studies came from?
Ok, I'll argue this a little. With most of the cases that can be directly be related to mercury the children begin as healthy normal alert children until the bombardment of shots. The arguments you refer to is nothing but propaganda. Statistical rubbish.
There's absolutely no doubt about it.
Talk to the parents for the real story. Seriously man watch the video you'll be shocked. It covers this subject at length. I'ts not an easy watch. I shed a few tears.

Oh and yes absolutely, alternatives should be studied, hey Eco I'm impressed. For the most part

Peace.

I just wanted to ask a question of my U.S friends, just how many shots does the average American child get? I'm hearing some incredible numbers being thrown around, kind of shocking.

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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 08:26 AM by ecoparity
The problem we have is that there is no incentive for anyone to study if mercury in vaccines is actually causing autism or another condition which mimics autism.

The pharma companies refused to make vaccines without immunity and our government here in the US did what it always does and bent over to give them complete immunity even against intentional acts.

The immunity grant needs to be very narrow and well defined and only cover the "extremely rare adverse reactions" they claimed required legal protection.

The alternative is to create a national production facility which will make vaccines free of preservatives and other chemicals which can be eliminated or replaced by safe alternatives. The pharma companies will use the cheapest method available to them rather than what's safest.

I'd prefer that even though it breaches the realm of socialism simply because I feel the drive for profits has destroyed the ability or motivation to produce the safest possible vaccines.

These newer vaccines being produced are not needed and are driven purely for profit. Gardasil is a band aid for behavior. You can avoid the disease by abstaining from unprotected sex or only have sex with partners who have been tested. Gardasil is a dangerous vaccine made to enable irresponsible sexual behavior, IMO. Rape would be the only exception and I don't think the statistics justify the means.

Then we have the brain chemistry alteration vaccines for smoking, drug addiction and so on. This is getting dangerously close to using pharmacology to create robotic people. We can expect future vaccines to eliminate "challenging authority" and being "conspiracy minded", IMO.

Regulations and market pressure work unless they are manipulated. The pharma companies have managed to unbalance the system with political lobbying and wide legal immunity. Until we address these issues people should watch carefully and treat vaccines as a last line of defense for true life and death situations. Treating them like aspirin for a headache is dangerous and irresponsible.


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 09:22 AM by squiz
reply to post by ecoparity



Well once again I agree to most of that.

But it's a scientific fact that mercury causes neurological damage, it's well known. And when these babies are given several shots in one go, they then exceed the limit. It's a no brainer. And the still deny it t. It's a huge subject too big to discuss here. You cannot trust them, seriously. The evidence is overwhelming. PLEASE watch the video.

It's not just the preservatives, it's the fact that you are putting foreign DNA and RNA directly into the bloodstream bypassing the natural immune defenses. In the case of babies they take a developing immune system and bombard it with a cocktail of necrotic matter and toxins. Right into the veins. It's barbaric, crude science. Sure it's cleaner and slicker now but it's still the same archaic concept.
And the side effects still occurring.

I feel pretty strongly about it, but we agree on some points so
can we just agree to disagree on the others? It's a bit off track.

I guess my point with bringing vaccination subject up is that it's possible people are being setup for a "Double Blow" virus perhaps even triple.

As well as the ability for the virus to mutate when coming into contact with so many vaccinated hosts. Or new emerging diseases as a result, as shown in the past. This is scientifically possible perhaps even likely. Could even be happening right now.

I also fear for the Ukrainians when the perhaps forced medication begins.


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 10:58 AM by ecoparity
It's starting to look like even the mild to mid severity cases of swine flu may leave long term effects. This is a subject that has been going around the medical community for a while now but is starting to hit the mainstream:

Patients left w/ perm disabilaties


According to the chief pulmonologist at the hospital in Lviv (Western Ukraine, NDT), Dr. Rudnitskaya, who suffered from pneumonia related to influenza A H1N1 may develop chronic lung disease, as the bronchial asthma, because it seems that the disease has caused irreversible organic changes in their lungs. Doctors, however, seem to be still struggling to explain how the phenomenon occurs.

"We're just beginning to study these patients, and we follow them closely, asking them to do regular blood tests and urine. The disease has caused irreversible changes in their lungs, "said the physician assistant department head of research infectious Andrusishin doctor, hospital, Ivano-Frankivsk (Western Ukraine, NDT). "They have great difficulty recovering from their weakened immune system, and there is a high risk they incur all sorts of other infections. Many children who are yet cured of the flu continue to have a temperature of 40 °. We also have three people in intensive care with an influenza syndrome meta-type "meningo-encephalitis (inflammation of the cerebral cortex, NDT). Members of our staff, who were hit by the virus, now suffering from myocarditis. "


Previous outbreaks in every country have left people with neurological, pulmonary, and cardiac issues. This virus is NOT like having a seasonal flu. Even if it doesn't kill you it is not a normal, human virus. This thing species hopped from swine so we're the first generation to deal with it.

The same type of lasting effects were seen in the survivors of the 1918 flu, by the way.



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reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 12:22 PM by marg6043
reply to post by ecoparity



Interesting that we already have a vaccine for Bacterial pneumonia, but now the swine flu causes long term problems with lungs? how about pneumonia from seasonal flu side effects, after all 55 thousand died from pneumonia without the help of the swine of seasonal flu in the nation every year.

I will be very worry about this call "new reports", they could be highly bias and paid by big pharma.

This thread has very good information about this type of propaganda,The Biotech Puppeteers

www.abovetopsecret.com...


reply posted on 18-11-2009 @ 01:14 PM by marg6043
reply to post by ecoparity



I am not going to speculate what is going to the Ukraine but by past history of the region and diseases, plagues comes to mind.

Still this is not swine flu and neither seasonal flu afflictions.

What you thing about all this.
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