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South Africa: Blogger arrested!

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posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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Hi:
The blogger "Uhuru Guru" has had his door kicked in.
The popular Google site "SA sucks" has been shut down.
"SA sucks" was well known for highlighting the anti-white "criminality" or "genoncide" in South Africa.
The site was often used, but not reserved for right-wingers and racists.
To many, it gave an insight into right-wing thinking, and highlighted devisive white issues such as anti-Semitism and homophobia.
Although definately offensive, the site was also informative and research-worthy from many different viewpoints.

In the context of current SA politics, I would advise the site gets a rival, before the "racist" history runs out of "devils" for propaganda.




posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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Can I have some more evidence, before elevating this rumour as true?



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Whether true or not, south africa holds next years world cup, and they will not want white people to be afraid to go there i assume.

Anti government people are always hounded, its just that we do not hear about it.

If this is true, whats new, in that country?

They have a great rugby team, but for some reason, being south african the world does not want to call them the best because of there problems.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:25 AM
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If they're trying to promote their country for the Olympics then they can do without people like that guy.

Promoting hate isn't going to solve the problem, all it can do is get your a$$ arrested.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:28 AM
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From what I can find, this happened November 4th:

UG Of South Africa Sucks Arrested

and he was released the following day:

SA Blogger Released

Can see why it hasn't been reported on here by the MSM in the U.S.


South Africa Sucks has been targeted by various Leftist groups and the South African government since its inception in 2004. It has been banned from Google and other search engines and hacked because of its controversial political content.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by infinite
reply to post by halfoldman
 


"Can I have some more evidence, before elevating this rumour as true?"

Right or wrong in political leaning, the issue is free speech, which the ANC and their Youth League abuse weekly!
HERE'S THE EVIDENCE (allowed): Uhuru Guru of South Africa Sucks Arrested On False Charges-Vangaurd News Network Forum.
www.vnnforum.com...
Hope it works, seems even links are gone.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Here are short paragraphs from the Vangaurd News item:

"Uhuru Guru of South Africa Sucks was arrested this morning at around 06h30 on trumped up challeged offence dating back to 1993.

His door was ripped off, his wife was not allowed to make calls, his children’s cell phones were confiscated, his little daughters were ripped out of their beds, you cannot believe the cruelty!!

A massive contingent of police from no less than five different specialist units, ranging from Organised Crime, Cyber crime, vehicle theft, etc; raided his home and confiscated all his computer equipment.

This arrest is motivated ultimately by the State. No doubt it has to do with ZASucks.

When they finished the raid, two very grey, shady looking characters sat him down and questioned him about the blog. White, Afrikaans men, to boot.

They were told he would not answer any questions re the blog. They persisted and they were again, rudely this time, told to pack it in.

They then asked him what far right meetings he attended. The answer was none.

Then, shockingly, they started questioning him about no less than Dan Roodt."



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 11:48 AM
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The fear is now also whether anyone who blogged there, either in opposition, agreement or a "mixture" will be targeted.
With all our crime: how can so many cops arrest one Internet blogger? So perhaps, it's something we should bear in mind.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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Out of curiosity I tried to go to "zasucks.com" to see for myself what it is all about.
I got the error message "Error establishing a database connection".

That is a new one on me -- never got that message before.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Thanks for the back-up proof, I certainly wasn't joking!
I think we needed more stringent control as far as hate speech went with that site (but SA needs that politically in general). But otherwise, it was a great media-watchdog, and an intellectual challange.
I am a liberal, multi-culturalist academic, but I couldn't call myself "liberal" if I didn't stand up even for unpopular speech.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 01:08 PM
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Just my humble opinions.... I am starting to think every post should be prefixed with "in my opinion," just in case opinions are still legal, because facts and the truth certainly are not. Truth these days seems to have nothing to do with facts and reality but more with consensus driven opinion.

Ruh Roh, first Eli the Bearded and now Uhuru, I had occasion to write for these guys in the past since the entire SA manipulation and its collapse into hell, has followed classic Hegel Dialectic lines. I guess the PC (read - Fascisti/Nazi) storm-troopers will be at my door soon enough, CSIS knows who, and probably where, I am. I actually wrote a book (primarily for court purposes but then it was published in 2006 to protect myself somewhat) that contained references to one of the precursory events (the Helderberg and I knew one of the guys on the Machel VOR) to force the takeover of SA by the IMF through the ANC that was orchestrated and manipulated by the UN and IMF. The Canadian, SA, US, Chinese, NK, Britain, France and Israeli governments don't like me much, but the feeling is mutual ;-) Something about me being classified as a 'merc' and working for Armscor and CI/MI in South Africa when I was a foreign national overseas in the 80's, go figure?

This IS NOT a plug for the book, but, if you want information about what happened to the Helderberg, why it went down, what we were working on and why that couldn't happen in order to kill the country, you can find the information using Google and the keywords Helderberg and Malice. The information is free, you can download maps and copies of many of the original documents. When my FOIA request from the CIA, US Navy and State Department gets processed, it will also be posted to the site.

The SA Sucks blog referred to is actually a real eye opener. Even if it is not politically correct all you had to do was use your own "filters" to remove anything you considered objectionable, I mean most of us are adults and we don't need the IMF PC Thought Police screwing with the availability of information. The arrests of Eli and Uhuru are politically/corporately motivated and all about the 2010 FIFA event, which I expect will be an absolute bloodbath. Eli and Uhuru are trying to save lives, they are not promoting corporate profits regardless of the deaths that will ensue. I mean seriously, when the sheep are herded into a den of wolves, the wolves will gorge. Let us not lose sight of our common sense, the lion does not lay down with the lamb, it digests it and South Africa is a very predatory place. The crime rate is so high in South Africa, it has been defined as the most dangerous place in the world next to an active war zone. But why is crime so high? Follow the money and all roads lead to the IMF and their zone commanders.

If you are going to South Africa for FIFA or anything else, get a conceal-carry gun license or two in advance, a hand-held tazer, a good solid knife with a 6" to 10" blade and a couple of gallons of pepper spray. Even in the 80's when it was less dangerous I carried a DE-44, a CZ75 9mmP and a 1945 US Navy knife from WWII.

When truth becomes illegal (as it has), only the outlaws will have truth. And I say, if the storm troopers don't like what I have to say, here, on my site or SA Sucks, well they have my IP, come get me. Let us test my supposed thought crimes in a court of law, let me tell my whole story without the encumbrances of my present gag order with jury and reporters present, so I can name names and stop protecting the guilty in the military, banks, brokerages, governments and universities. And to anyone reading this from the CIA, NSA, SEALS and/or State Department, I received an email back from the FOIA offices, STOP holding up my request! It's been 3 years! At least the Canadian FOIA office insulted me directly.

Sorry for the last paragraph of rant, but these people piss me off (except the US FOIA people).

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by wayno
 

Thanks for the back-up proof, I certainly wasn't joking!
I think we needed more stringent control as far as hate speech went with that site (but SA needs that politically in general). But otherwise, it was a great media-watchdog, and an intellectual challange.
I am a liberal, multi-culturalist academic, but I couldn't call myself "liberal" if I didn't stand up even for unpopular speech.



Just my humble opinion....

Multiculturalism kills a civilization. Check your history books, it has killed every civilization, every one! Used as a good thing, pure multiculturalism, like pure communism is possible, just extremely improbable in our world. We would have to make greed and avarice illegal and we all know that won't happen.

In our world, multiculturalism is a weapon used by government to fracture society, eg. insure that groups alienate and do not cooperate. Five major multi-culti groups will not agree on almost everything, getting two to agree is possible but improbable. Hence, the government rules by a loosy goosy and fabricated consensus. To enforce and solidify multiculturalistic paradigms, read nonsense, we get hate crimes. So now a racist is more evil than a murderer. Read the news.

With multiculturalism there can only be one form of racist applied to one breed of humans, which is racist in itself, but the liberal PC apologists always have some totally false or fabricated reason why that is so. Every color, every creed and every religion in the world in all recorded history have had slaves and have been racist. It is the natural predisposition of humans to establish a civilization and subjugate the weaker peoples.

In South Africa the "indigenous" population is ridiculously xenophobic, read racist, to anyone from any other country. Affirmative Action programs are meant to help minorities, but in SA, it's backwards, it helps majorities. And what happens if one group is smarter than the rest? Well, let's lower education standards, we wouldn't want to offend anyone now would we?

This is what multiculturalism does, it fractures societies and it dumbs down the population to allow for easier puppet government control by the IMF, just look at what is happening in the US, Canada and Europe. Governments, banks and corporations are getting away with the equivalent of (financial) murder and what do the sheople do? Look up.....

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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Well, perhaps that is a good point.
You might want to check out a funny or not-so-funny take on SA news:
iluvsa.blogspot.com...



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 02:18 PM
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reply to post by bobs_uruncle
 

I don't know so much, but I've read Chris-Steyn Barlow: "Publish and be Damned". She speaks of a group known as "Die Wyse Manne" (The wise men).
Most history can also no longer deny CIA influence on "our SA" affairs.
Apartheid never ended, just the faces of some double-agents changed color.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by bobs_uruncle

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by wayno
 

Thanks for the back-up proof, I certainly wasn't joking!
I think we needed more stringent control as far as hate speech went with that site (but SA needs that politically in general). But otherwise, it was a great media-watchdog, and an intellectual challange.
I am a liberal, multi-culturalist academic, but I couldn't call myself "liberal" if I didn't stand up even for unpopular speech.



Just my humble opinion....

Multiculturalism kills a civilization. Check your history books, it has killed every civilization, every one! Used as a good thing, pure multiculturalism, like pure communism is possible, just extremely improbable in our world. We would have to make greed and avarice illegal and we all know that won't happen.

In our world, multiculturalism is a weapon used by government to fracture society, eg. insure that groups alienate and do not cooperate. Five major multi-culti groups will not agree on almost everything, getting two to agree is possible but improbable. Hence, the government rules by a loosy goosy and fabricated consensus. To enforce and solidify multiculturalistic paradigms, read nonsense, we get hate crimes. So now a racist is more evil than a murderer. Read the news.

With multiculturalism there can only be one form of racist applied to one breed of humans, which is racist in itself, but the liberal PC apologists always have some totally false or fabricated reason why that is so. Every color, every creed and every religion in the world in all recorded history have had slaves and have been racist. It is the natural predisposition of humans to establish a civilization and subjugate the weaker peoples.

In South Africa the "indigenous" population is ridiculously xenophobic, read racist, to anyone from any other country. Alternative Action programs are meant to help minorities, but in SA, it's backwards, it helps majorities. And what happens if one group is smarter than the rest? Well, let's lower education standards, we wouldn't want to offend anyone now would we?

This is what multiculturalism does, it fractures societies and it dumbs down the population to allow for easier puppet government control by the IMF, just look at what is happening in the US, Canada and Europe. Governments, banks and corporations are getting away with the equivalent of (financial) murder and what do the sheople do? Look up.....

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]


I would disagree that multiculturalism always leads to social collapse - unless we define the term more fittingly.
From my standard history Europeans got a lot from other cultures. Europe gathered knowledge and goods from Middle-eastern culture, and later from the Columbian exchange. If it wasn't for the multi-cultural milieu of Roman culture, Christianity wouldn't have spread.
Many other societies, like Saudi Arabia still practice cultural segregation. I don't want to live in such a society - so viva multi-culturalism! It is worrying when one culture gains protection over another - that is racism.
On SA: At the time of white colonialisation the only indigenous peoples were the "Khoisan". They were terrified of the black "Nguni" tribes who had moved into SA since the 17th Century from the Congo. King Shaka wiped out 25 tribes and moved the blacks into their current tribal positions. When whites entered the interior after 1850 it was largely uninhabited and un-productive.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by bobs_uruncle
 

I don't know so much, but I've read Chris-Steyn Barlow: "Publish and be Damned". She speaks of a group known as "Die Wyse Manne" (The wise men).
Most history can also no longer deny CIA influence on "our SA" affairs.
Apartheid never ended, just the faces of some double-agents changed color.


Just my humble opinion...

The CIA was always involved, so are the Mossad, MI6 and a legion of others, they operate not only for the US government or respective governments, but for business interests like international bankers and they do that through "think tanks." John Stockwell (CIA) was the point man during much of the Angolan War. The CIA organized weapons and logistics for UNITA and SA forward forces against the MLA and SWAPO. There has always been outside interference. I reported to the Colonel in charge of CI for the Angolan theater of operations, hence I know "a bit," well, at least on things where I was directly involved, like national security and weapons development.

It always amazes me though how the developed nations view South Africa and this constant "racism" garbage running through the rhetoric. People who haven't been there and lived it, really have no right to an opinion, especially the academics. What really makes me laugh is the PC tree-huggers and PC peace-nicks, if you drop anyone in a hot zone, they ain't going to be singing koom by ya while the bullets zing past. It's kill or be killed. Been there, done that, all I got was the lousy skull and crossbones baseball cap....

Cheers - Dave



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman

Originally posted by bobs_uruncle

Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by wayno
 

Thanks for the back-up proof, I certainly wasn't joking!
I think we needed more stringent control as far as hate speech went with that site (but SA needs that politically in general). But otherwise, it was a great media-watchdog, and an intellectual challange.
I am a liberal, multi-culturalist academic, but I couldn't call myself "liberal" if I didn't stand up even for unpopular speech.




Just my humble opinion....

Multiculturalism kills a civilization. Check your history books, it has killed every civilization, every one! Used as a good thing, pure multiculturalism, like pure communism is possible, just extremely improbable in our world. We would have to make greed and avarice illegal and we all know that won't happen.
Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]


Just my humble opinion....

I would disagree that multiculturalism always leads to social collapse - unless we define the term more fittingly.
From my standard history Europeans got a lot from other cultures. Europe gathered knowledge and goods from Middle-eastern culture, and later from the Columbian exchange. If it wasn't for the multi-cultural milieu of Roman culture, Christianity wouldn't have spread.
Many other societies, like Saudi Arabia still practice cultural segregation. I don't want to live in such a society - so viva multi-culturalism! It is worrying when one culture gains protection over another - that is racism.
On SA: At the time of white colonialisation the only indigenous peoples were the "Khoisan". They were terrified of the black "Nguni" tribes who had moved into SA since the 17th Century from the Congo. King Shaka wiped out 25 tribes and moved the blacks into their current tribal positions. When whites entered the interior after 1850 it was largely uninhabited and un-productive.


Tell me one multicultural society that has existed since 0 AD to today? But for dominant conquering societies, well, let's look at the romans....

They freed the slaves and incorporated a semi-democratic republic. Everyone prospered for a time, then society became fractured with special interest groups. What happened next, Rome failed and Constatine latched onto the new "vehicle" that might be able to globally control the masses, religion. So, multiculturalism produced the fall of the roman empire and a paradigm shift to a religion as a control methodology which was more insidious and pervasive. You see this as a success? It's just a new form of control from a failed state using fear and extortion.

When a democracy fails it leaves a power vacuum which will be filled by either totalitarianism/dictatorship politically or the same religiously. Can you site somewhere that this hasn't happened, where multiculturalism and democracy have spawned some utopian society that has lasted, because I sure don't see one.

Cheers - Dave

[edit on 11/15.2009 by bobs_uruncle]



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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I've just been on Wikipedia: demographics South Africa.
It really makes me wonder on the genocide/apartheid charges, because black South Africa increased from 3 million to 40 million in the "racist" 20th century.
Could anybody comment on this aberration, or is it normal for populations to increase under "genocide"?



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Well, let's consider Europe, say by the Renaissance (1600?).
Europe, and especially the British Isles were the last outpost of conquest. However, by then they had absorbed:
- the wheel (probably from fertile creasant)
- wheat, hops, barley (from mid-east)
- domesticated horses, cows, pigs, chickens (ibid)
- metal working (ibid)
- gun-powder (Chinese)
and post-1492:
tomato, potato, peppers, turkey, chilli, pineapple, Tequila (ooh), coca, maize, chocoalate, tobacco - nobody can say we are not multi-cultural!



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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Unfortunately, I see SA ending up in the grip of the same problems plaguing Rhodesia in the 70's and ending with complete destruction of both countries. I see no benefit to the peoples no matter what race in this destruction but it is inevitable. I was in both countries in the early 70's and if SA has denigrated to the point I saw in Rhodesia then, Apartheid was just a blip in the plan. All of Africa south of the Arab nations is lost to the socialists/marxists and it will never become the continent it could have been! It would be nice to go back to JoBurg and enjoy again what was a nice place to visit!
Zindo

[edit on 11/15/2009 by ZindoDoone]




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