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the anti cancer diet and probable cure for cancer and other illnesses: the EVIDENCE for you

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posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 01:12 PM
Half of me is carnivore...and half of me is herbivore.
The former part of my life consisted of meats;
The later part of my life subsists of plant!
The past me gets along with the present why dont we.
Is it because we have so many posts here that seem too authoritative, arrogant, ignorant or ridiculous?
Peoples opinions are such!
Not a single person here has all the knowledge of Earth, much less the cosmos, available at their fingertips when typing, so making claims of presenting the truth is merely biased based presumption.
Each and every item placed into the human body causes a cascade of chemical combinations, specific to each individual, which interact with subtle systems to create dynamic energetic shifts.
So - ones diet will not work for another because food cannot be dealt with in isolation from environment...
...that is, although my lifestyle wish for everyone would be vegan or raw, it is irrelevant at this point because each one of us lives a different lifestyle and therefore different equation of chemical combinations entering the blood stream and energetic systems - precisely the reason why a diet works for one and not the other.
And honestly, until our scienctific and spiritual knowledge progresses to the degree which we operate based on these energetic systems, both sides of the debate are simply speculating...because anyone here who attended statistics in college will immediately recognize numbers can say anything you want...and thus any study we present as definative is biased as its contributors.

Former says:
Look...this study says this!
Latter says:
Look...this study says that!

They both agree...
Former says:
I'm vegan when i sleep!
Latter says:
I was a meatty in another life!

Ultimately we are all One
Lets focus on what matters
We can offer assistance to our fellow beings,
yet is our choice which path.
We each walk the life path of our own choosing...together.


posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 03:29 PM

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
reply to post by watcher73

I must have missed the part where The Bible was considered a peer reviewed publication.

No you just missed the part where who I replied to mentioned god giving us canines to eat meat. So if someone mentions god and his will I just point them to the supposed words of god.

But since you want to argue obviously could you provide the peer reviewed publications showing us that god DID give us canines to eat meat?

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 04:25 PM
reply to post by watcher73

I don't think that has anything to do with the topic at hand. And I'm not really concerned about how canines fit into the equation, much less how god had anything to do with it.

But if you'd like we can discuss the implications of dietary habits on cancer incidence.....


posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 06:47 PM

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:29 PM
Read this carefully before thinking about eating Soy!

Newest Research On Why You Should Avoid Soy

Page 1 of 3 (Page 2, Page 3)

by Sally Fallon & Mary G. Enig, Ph.D.

Cinderella's Dark Side

"The propaganda that has created the soy sales miracle is all the more remarkable because, only a few decades ago, the soybean was considered unfit to eat - even in Asia. During the Chou Dynasty (1134-246 BC) the soybean was designated one of the five sacred grains, along with barley, wheat, millet and rice.

However, the pictograph for the soybean, which dates from earlier times, indicates that it was not first used as a food; for whereas the pictographs for the other four grains show the seed and stem structure of the plant, the pictograph for the soybean emphasizes the root structure. Agricultural literature of the period speaks frequently of the soybean and its use in crop rotation. Apparently the soy plant was initially used as a method of fixing nitrogen.13

The soybean did not serve as a food until the discovery of fermentation techniques, some time during the Chou Dynasty. The first soy foods were fermented products like tempeh, natto, miso and soy sauce.

At a later date, possibly in the 2nd century BC, Chinese scientists discovered that a purée of cooked soybeans could be precipitated with calcium sulfate or magnesium sulfate (plaster of Paris or Epsom salts) to make a smooth, pale curd - tofu or bean curd. The use of fermented and precipitated soy products soon spread to other parts of the Orient, notably Japan and Indonesia.

The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or "antinutrients". First among them are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion.

These inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated during ordinary cooking. They can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake. In test animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors cause enlargement and pathological conditions of the pancreas, including cancer.14

Soybeans also contain haemagglutinin, a clot-promoting substance that causes red blood cells to clump together.

Trypsin inhibitors and haemagglutinin are growth inhibitors. Weanling rats fed soy containing these antinutrients fail to grow normally. Growth-depressant compounds are deactivated during the process of fermentation, so once the Chinese discovered how to ferment the soybean, they began to incorporate soy foods into their diets.

In precipitated products, enzyme inhibitors concentrate in the soaking liquid rather than in the curd. Thus, in tofu and bean curd, growth depressants are reduced in quantity but not completely eliminated.

Soy also contains goitrogens - substances that depress thyroid function.

Additionally 99% a very large percentage of soy is genetically modified and it also has one of the highest percentages contamination by pesticides of any of our foods.

Soybeans are high in phytic acid, present in the bran or hulls of all seeds. It's a substance that can block the uptake of essential minerals - calcium, magnesium, copper, iron and especially zinc - in the intestinal tract.

Although not a household word, phytic acid has been extensively studied; there are literally hundreds of articles on the effects of phytic acid in the current scientific literature. Scientists are in general agreement that grain- and legume-based diets high in phytates contribute to widespread mineral deficiencies in third world countries.15

Analysis shows that calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc are present in the plant foods eaten in these areas, but the high phytate content of soy- and grain-based diets prevents their absorption.

The soybean has one of the highest phytate levels of any grain or legume that has been studied,16 and the phytates in soy are highly resistant to normal phytate-reducing techniques such as long, slow cooking.17 Only a long period of fermentation will significantly reduce the phytate content of soybeans.

When precipitated soy products like tofu are consumed with meat, the mineral-blocking effects of the phytates are reduced.18 The Japanese traditionally eat a small amount of tofu or miso as part of a mineral-rich fish broth, followed by a serving of meat or fish.

Vegetarians who consume tofu and bean curd as a substitute for meat and dairy products risk severe mineral deficiencies. The results of calcium, magnesium and iron deficiency are well known; those of zinc are less so.

Zinc is called the intelligence mineral because it is needed for optimal development and functioning of the brain and nervous system. It plays a role in protein synthesis and collagen formation; it is involved in the blood-sugar control mechanism and thus protects against diabetes; it is needed for a healthy reproductive system.

Zinc is a key component in numerous vital enzymes and plays a role in the immune system. Phytates found in soy products interfere with zinc absorption more completely than with other minerals.19 Zinc deficiency can cause a "spacey" feeling that some vegetarians may mistake for the "high" of spiritual enlightenment.

Milk drinking is given as the reason why second-generation Japanese in America grow taller than their native ancestors. Some investigators postulate that the reduced phytate content of the American diet - whatever may be its other deficiencies - is the true explanation, pointing out that both Asian and Western children who do not get enough meat and fish products to counteract the effects of a high phytate diet, frequently suffer rickets, stunting and other growth problems.20

Soy Protein Isolate: Not So Friendly

Soy processors have worked hard to get these antinutrients out of the finished product, particularly soy protein isolate (SPI) which is the key ingredient in most soy foods that imitate meat and dairy products, including baby formulas and some brands of soy milk.

SPI is not something you can make in your own kitchen. Production takes place in industrial factories where a slurry of soy beans is first mixed with an alkaline solution to remove fiber, then precipitated and separated using an acid wash and, finally, neutralized in an alkaline solution.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Sargoth]

posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 08:30 PM
Acid washing in aluminum tanks leaches high levels of aluminum into the final product. The resultant curds are spray- dried at high temperatures to produce a high-protein powder. A final indignity to the original soybean is high-temperature, high-pressure extrusion processing of soy protein isolate to produce textured vegetable protein (TVP).

Much of the trypsin inhibitor content can be removed through high-temperature processing, but not all. Trypsin inhibitor content of soy protein isolate can vary as much as fivefold.21 (In rats, even low-level trypsin inhibitor SPI feeding results in reduced weight gain compared to controls.22)

But high-temperature processing has the unfortunate side-effect of so denaturing the other proteins in soy that they are rendered largely ineffective.23 That's why animals on soy feed need lysine supplements for normal growth.

Nitrites, which are potent carcinogens, are formed during spray-drying, and a toxin called lysinoalanine is formed during alkaline processing.24 Numerous artificial flavorings, particularly MSG, are added to soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein products to mask their strong "beany" taste and to impart the flavor of meat.25

In feeding experiments, the use of SPI increased requirements for vitamins E, K, D and B12 and created deficiency symptoms of calcium, magnesium, manganese, molybdenum, copper, iron and zinc.26 Phytic acid remaining in these soy products greatly inhibits zinc and iron absorption; test animals fed SPI develop enlarged organs, particularly the pancreas and thyroid gland, and increased deposition of fatty acids in the liver.27

Yet soy protein isolate and textured vegetable protein are used extensively in school lunch programs, commercial baked goods, diet beverages and fast food products. They are heavily promoted in third world countries and form the basis of many food giveaway programs.

In spite of poor results in animal feeding trials, the soy industry has sponsored a number of studies designed to show that soy protein products can be used in human diets as a replacement for traditional foods.

An example is "Nutritional Quality of Soy Bean Protein Isolates: Studies in Children of Preschool Age", sponsored by the Ralston Purina Company.28 A group of Central American children suffering from malnutrition was first stabilized and brought into better health by feeding them native foods, including meat and dairy products. Then, for a two-week period, these traditional foods were replaced by a drink made of soy protein isolate and sugar.

All nitrogen taken in and all nitrogen excreted was measured in truly Orwellian fashion: the children were weighed naked every morning, and all excrement and vomit gathered up for analysis. The researchers found that the children retained nitrogen and that their growth was "adequate", so the experiment was declared a success.

Whether the children were actually healthy on such a diet, or could remain so over a long period, is another matter. The researchers noted that the children vomited "occasionally", usually after finishing a meal; that over half suffered from periods of moderate diarrhea; that some had upper respiratory infections; and that others suffered from rash and fever.

It should be noted that the researchers did not dare to use soy products to help the children recover from malnutrition, and were obliged to supplement the soy-sugar mixture with nutrients largely absent in soy products - notably, vitamins A, D and B12, iron, iodine and zinc."

Soy is in Taco Bell tortillas, tuna fish, and the sprouts in Chinese food is Soy.

Another poison to be avoided is lead in chocolate.

Most Cancer patients should avoid supplemental Calcium, Fluoride, Tap and mineral water, always use distilled water. If you can't get your own distiller, get it from a supermarket where the turn over rate is high. Transfer it to glass at home. If it sits too long in the plastic jug, it absorbs the chemicals and starts to taste bad.

Avoid plastic containers. Try to get juices etc. in glass containers

Avoid metal cookware. The safest is glass (Pyrex) or enamel.

Here's William Donald Kelley's book free for all to read.

[edit on 14-12-2009 by Sargoth]

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 06:27 AM

Originally posted by Doc Tesla
reply to post by wycky

no one is denying that diet and disease are correlated, i am just denying her "proof". meat doesn't lead to cancer.

here hippies and vegans follow my logic.

we have canine teeth correct? that means God or Evolution (pick your poison) wants us to eat meat.

people who ate alot of meat would have died in larger numbers then vegans and slowly meat eater would have all disappeared.

or the god theory, he gave us them so we can eat meat.

Your right god / evolution did give us canine teeth to eat meat, but god / evolution did not put chemicals or hormones into the animals that we eat. That is the problem with red meat, well any meat actually. I remember reading a story years ago; in some 3rd world country the men were growing female breast, they found out it was caused by hormones being fed to the chickens to make them grow faster.
The chicken didn't cause the breast growth, human intervention did. I believe this is the same case for red meat or anything really causing cancer, its our western processed, fast food preservative diet.

posted on Dec, 21 2009 @ 10:10 AM

Originally posted by wycky

Your right god / evolution did give us canine teeth to eat meat

Actually he didn't. Our canines hardly resemble carnivores, they aren't even as big as herbivorous mountain gorillas

posted on Jun, 2 2011 @ 09:06 AM
very interesting thread

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