Originally posted by shagreen heart
the replies this thread are a good example of knee jerk cognitive dissonance, inDR.nation, and woodwardjnr's classic post, resigning to death and not changing a damn thing about your diet which IS (almost certainly) what caused this. if you eat the same hormone riddled, cheap, disgusting animal product, and drink the same disgusting city water and expose yourself to the same toxic elements you have done absolutely nothing to help yourself especially not by desperetley clinging to every drip of BS from your oncologist's prick as if they are out to help you in any way. yeah, do nothing to change your diet cause yer gonna die anyway, that's solid logic. i admire that will to live and want to make a difference in your life and others while you wither away.

QUI BONO. the new nutrition crackdown and laws and codex are the EXACT things you SHOULD be eating because disease and death make the most profit. B17--ILLEGAL? they are even pushing for vitamin-C. when will you wake up screaming and breaking these chains of insanity?



your doctor didn't become a doctor to help anyone, especially not an oncologist if he wanted to help anyone (college freshman: "i'm gonna cure cancer!" phd: "how the **** will i pay off my student loans?... OHHH"). he'd have become a nutritionist. anyone who thinks diet has nothing to do with cancer, enjoy dealing with it. i'm sure your family will thank you for all the problems it causes them, but you'll thank them for that garbage fast food they bring you in the hospital which is probably even worse for you than hospital food.

-huge exhale-

Everyone deals with cancer in their own way. I find it slightly offensive that you say I resigned to death. Especially as i'm sat here defying the odds of my prognosis. I may not of been fighting with my diet, but i'v manged to keep a strong state of mind throughout the 8 years of radiotharapy chemotherapy and steroid treatment, that ballooned me to an unrecogniseable reflection in the mirror. I ate to get me through the tough periods of chemotherapy, where sometimes the thought of food was enough to make me vomit.

I've dealt with all the emotions that come along with this. My parents fear of losing their son, my brother terrified of losing his younger brother. Its no ride in the park. so until the doc informs your parents you only have months to live, don't go making assumtions about my life.

Holy Crap Bat Man 5 Different nonsense cures for cancer in 2 pages!

For starters yeah... inflammation will lead to cancer if your cutting appropriate blood flow it's inevitable, but it's absolutely ridiculous and absurd to tell people that elimination of Meat and Dairy will prevent Cancer...

Everything causes inflammation, so what if there is something in meat that leads to some inflammation? Sitting on your butt causes inflammation in far worse way, sleeping wrong, your job, sitting in a chair too long... all these things cause far more inflammation.... gosh STRESS the near impossible to eliminate factor will cause inflammation and therefore Cancer...

There's only one way to rid your self of it, EXERCISE and Stretching and Sauna and .... being at least lightly Athletic...

You can't tell people to go Vegan because Meat Causes Cancer...

For starters we are all INDIVIDUALS, you have to treat the individual and their body, this is Amateurish biased nonsense...

Your diet would Kill me as an INDIVIDUAL DEAD right in my tracks, i'm not tolerant of Carbohydrates they cause me 10x the inflammation Meat or dairy ever possibly could, I ache if eat them.... so without meat and dairy, what would I be left with as a filler?

If I was an idiot and read this and followed it I would totally screw my life up lol

Soy... Thanks for all the Estrogen i'll gladly trade 20 years of a Nice Penis in exchange for something that looks more like a big Clitoris to lower my potential risk of cancer.... your Kidding me right? Soy is crap for men...

And where are my Amino Acids? Brain function, Mood Serotonin, Dopamine?



BOTTOM LINE... THIS IS IRRESPONSIBLE NONSENSE

I have written on Ats about detoxification and other subjects and have boasted the claim of self curing a handful of serious diseases.

There is NO MAGIC BULLET or SPECIFIC DIET that will work on everyone or even most people...

I have NEVER when asked in U2U or by e-mail or in forum said to someone I had a specific cure that works 100% for everything...

There is

1: Exercise and Detoxification/SWEAT

2: A Light diet, non overindulgence and a diet that includes nutrients specifically YOU as an individual might need or that may help boost various functions like immunity or circulation and keep you with a low body fat %and I have to say MEAT and a less Carbs is mandatory the Body simply can't produce Fat on the Krebs cycle unless you add Carbs... and Fat is a far bigger culprit in Cancer than any minutia inflammation it may cause.

AND MOST IMPORTANT

You can't do much without an MD to run blood tests...

I'm sorry, I don't like allot about Western medicine and definitely not Big Pharma... But without knowing your blood levels and monitoring yourself your GUESSING

I don't necessarily take the dope a doctor wants to fill me with, but when I want to really work on myself or cure something, I go to a doctor so I know exactly what is going on in my body.

What your doing OP is telling people THIS DIET will Cure them.... that philosophy Kills people


Can I eliminate Cancer... YES I absolutely Can... Everyone's body does it every day, but it takes looking and Analyzing of the REASON YOU....YOUR INDIVIDUAL IMMUNE system is failing or what You the individual are doing that is creating the situation...

And for christs sake your 300% better off going to the doctor and monitoring the damn tumor if you get one and knowing every single possible blood level in every aspect you can to know what's working and what is not...

Inflammation?

Tomatoes as an example... reduce your risk of heart disease... but there are people who are allergic to Tomatoes... so stick them on Salads long enough they are causing internal inflammation, might never show outward signs but give themselves a heart attack....

So how can You OP come in here and say.... THIS DIET specifically will cure Cancer?

Has it even occoured to you that there actually are a percentage of us who are slanted more to the carnivorous direction genetically than vegan? That for SOME people a Vegan diet might be really BAD?

How would you KNOW unless you go for blood work regularly and get really involved... I mean to be fair I mostly for financial reasons chart by How I feel... But If I am taking o Cancer... I can't do that without knowing exactly how every single thing I eat is affecting me... in a proper scientific specific manner...

EVERY SINGLE PERSON in here who claims they have a SPECIFIC method from the Alkaline Acid crap to the Vegan Crap to the B17 Crap... Is full of It

Not attacking any individual for whom it Might or might not have worked for... but that's your Body, not everyone elses... AGAIN THERE IS NO SILVER BULLET!

Take as example the last Month of my life...

It started with Swine Flu and before done I was diagnosed with BACTERIAL MENINGITIS

First time i'm sick in a long long time... and I tackled it myself for quite sometime, I went well beyond a time frame with meningitis where i could very well have died, in fact.... got it so far along I was feeling allot better...but not 100%

So I went to the MD and and thanks to Manuka Honey and Garlic and Food restriction and Colloidal Silver... Among a few other things... I was the Healthiest guy they have ever seen with Bacterial Meningitis...

I was functional working doing my thing...

maaaaaybe... I could have Eliminated the Bacteria entirely in time, maybe...

But damn Penicillin is a nice addition to the regimen...

Would I ever get on here and say... Manuka Honey is the cure for Bacterial meningitis? HELL NO... it was working, well in fact. But for passing the blood brain barrier ... Antibiotics work better

So just don't.... go in public and claim your Vegan diet is going to Cure Cancer... It's irresponsible and not even remotely real in this case for a large number of people... If you Think, your going to cure Cancer with One specific Vitamin or one specific diet in MOST people.... your dead wrong,

There are thousands of things that cause cancer, your Vegan diet isn't going to do squat if the REAL CAUSE is something like... Black Mold in your House, or, Poor Circulation due to an injury or an Allergic inflammatory internal reaction to foods that normally should be good for you....

PLEASE TELL ME HOW A VEGAN DIET or ALKALINE Diet or B17 is going to cure a Cancer Caused by a specific Toxin in your environment?????

DEEP ANALYSIS of your BIO CHEMISTRY, ENVIRONMENT and LIFESTYLE is the holistic cure for Cancer AND you still will need an MD to do it right in most cases

So Just.... please stop with this sort of thing where people ACT like there is a Magic Solution for Cancer... There are many things that help many people... But if you believe one Vitamin or situation works for everybody your nutter!!!!

A few things I would recommend that help most everything.... as I said above...

Heat and sweat to reduce swelling and detoxify, Exercise for circulation and a very moderate diet in which so long as you MODERATE what you intake you can eat basically anything and indulge in basically anything so long as you don't make a habit of it...

Being healthy and detoxifying helps allot...

But if you break a Bone you need to set it... it wont go back into place by itself... your going to want that Xray to set it the best way you can...

Likewise, Cancer can be caused by many, many things... Being vegan might be good for many people, but if you breathed in too much roach spray as a kid your going to need to detox to beat cancer no matter what you eat.... if you don't figure out the CAUSE you can't cure it...

DIET is by far not the only cause of cancer, claiming to people it is is a downright crock and for the love of God, not every body is the same, You have no ides what';s right for you aside from trial and error without blood work...

And... DEVO knows what he is talking about... one of the few guys on here I can discuss this stuff with intelligently, running him off the topic with Dietary DOGMA is stupid.

And...

Hey sorry to be harsh sounding, you care about diet and are learning things ...GOOD START

Posting articles that specifically back up a belief system is not a qualification to claim you can tell people how to cure Cancer...

Originally posted by rapunzel222

I have had breast cancer.

my last scan was clear.

i am on this diet.

YOU are an arsehole for talking to me like this.

and this 'drivel' you refer to is mainstream medical research.

you can choose to follow everything your doctors say if you want.

if i was you i would be trying to be on the best diet possible to give myself the best chance i could.

its up to you though.

and its your choice whether you want to believe this stuff or not.

i have a right to post it.
Many people follow the path im on,a nd they have a right to know about it.

Personally i do not think oncologists have time to look up all these studies, and they get most of their info from drug companies.

many studies linking cancer GROWTH to diet are out there.

changing your diet costs you nothing.

the diet i propose is healthy and you get all the nutrients you need.

you lose nothing by trying it and it could help you.

it is as follows:

vegetables (raw or steamed) of many varieties; fruit (many varieties) -less quantity than vegies; nuts (brazil nuts and bitter almonds are good); seeds (e.g. pepita, sunflower, flaxseeds); beans; chickpeas; lentils; corn; wholegrains. eggs occasionally; and some fish or free range non hormone filled chicken occasionally if you arent vegetarian.

this diet wont hurt you at all. you will get all the protein etc that you need.it is safe to follow and very healthy. my chinese doctor put me onto it and i have never felt healthier.

i drink: green tea; vegie juice; herbal tea; water; sometimes fruit juice; and soy milk.

you can hate me all you like but you wont stop me posting this stuff unless i am convinced its wrong. and im not. in fact im convinced there is much research supporting it.

it is also known that certain chinese mushrooms have cancer fighting properties; so does seaweed (wakame); and so do apricot seeds and apple seeds.

in fact, FYI: im just off to post this stuff on a breast cancer forum.


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Well given your hate, I still wish you luck with your brain cancer..... I corrected the spelling for you.

Originally posted by mopusvindictus

PLEASE TELL ME HOW A VEGAN DIET or ALKALINE Diet or B17 is going to cure a Cancer Caused by a specific Toxin in your environment?????

I will gladly explain how B-17 works because you are confusing "Triggers" with the root cause.

There are a multitude of things that will cause cancer cells to form and start multiplying, I'll give you that. However, regardless of what "Triggers" the process to start, the root "Cause" is there is not sufficient B-17 in the body to kill those cells once they appear.

Cancer cells are identical to pre-embryonic cells known as Trophoblast. They are one and the same. Because cancer and trophblastic cells are one in the same, the body does not recognize them as an external threat.
Trophoblastic cells come with a protective protein barrier that carries a negative charge, as do white blood cells so they repel each other.

The Pancreas produces Trypsin which allows the body to breakdown the protective, protein barrier around the Trophoblast cell and allows white blood cells to eliminate it and if there are more Trophoblast cells than there is Trypsin to counter, Vitamin B-17 has the same effect.

Yes there are literally hundreds of Triggers for Cancer. All of these Triggers determine when, and where the cancer will manifest. Trophoblastic cells are created when a type of Diploid Cell nicknamed “Total Life Cells(TLC's)”, come in contact with estrogen. Approximately 20% of the Total Life Cells, are present across the body. The other 80% reside in the Ovaries and testes. When the body is attacked by any means be it carcinogens, or environmental factors, it attempts to heal itself. The bodies sends estrogen to the site, and if the Total Life Cells are present, they will morph into Trophoblastic cells, AKA, CANCER.

But, if your body has it's full defenses available(Trypsin from the pancreas and B-17 from diet), as soon as a trophoblastic cell is created (anywhere, other than in the Uterus), it is destroyed. If the Trypsin in the Pancreas fails to do its job, then the second line of defense the "Cure for cancer", kicks in, Vitamin B17.

B-17 is comprised of two sugar molecules, a cyanide molecule, and a Benzaldahyde molecule. How it is broken down depends on what enzymes it comes into contact with.

When B17 comes in contact with Beta-glucosidase(Unlocking Enzyme) found in cancer cells, the Cyanide and Benzalgahyde are released in their toxic form, breaking away from their two sugar molecules.

When B17 comes in contact with Rhodanese(Protecting Enzyme) found in healthy cells, it converts Cyanide to Thiocyanate which is harmless.

Thus Vitamin B17 is deadly to cancer, and inert to all healthy cells in the body.

There was almost no "cancer" prior to the late 1800's when people mostly grew there own food and food was not "Processed" for mass distribution because people got enough B-17 in their diet to destroy cancer cells as they formed, and they were much less likely to form because we didn't have nearly the "Triggers" in our environment.

The "so a child could understand it" version of the explanation is this:

Most people probably get and eliminate cancer in their body every day. The problem comes when more cancer cells form than the pancreas produces Trypsin to eliminate, and because the modern diet doesn't include enough B-17 to eliminate the excess, people get cancer and it continues to multiply. Eat whatever you like, just include enough Vitamin B-17 so that there is enough present in your body to kill whatever cancer cells form that are more than your body has Trypsin to eliminate.

There is a multi-billion dollar per year industry build on the fact that people don't know this so you will never see a "cure" for cancer from pharma. It is simply not in their best interest to produce a "cure" because they have a responsiblity to their stock holders to make more money each year by selling treatments.

I think the red meat stuff is bull to be honest.

My good friend has developed bowel and liver cancer and he's been a vegetarian for nearly 17 years.

Also stop promoting soy, it's really bad for you and the environment.

Originally posted by DevolutionEvolvd
Stop promoting soy......




-Dev

[edit on 15-11-2009 by DevolutionEvolvd]

Damn this puts a bummer on my Chinese food.

I thought radiating your body and taking dangerous pharmaceuticals cures cancer...

How could something as simple as diet change help

Originally posted by mopusvindictus


Your diet would Kill me as an INDIVIDUAL DEAD right in my tracks, i'm not tolerant of Carbohydrates they cause me 10x the inflammation Meat or dairy ever possibly could, I ache if eat them.... so without meat and dairy, what would I be left with as a filler?

And where are my Amino Acids? Brain function, Mood Serotonin, Dopamine?

Here's an idea maybe try eating fruits instead of wheat?

Wheat and grains are very toxic to the human body, they cause problems for just about everyone.

Fruits do not cause problems and i guarantee they don't cause you any inflammation, if you say otherwise you are a liar plain and simple.

Amino acids huh? Did you know every single fruit contains every single essential amino acid? probably not because you are so brain washed by the meat and dairy industry.

Cooked dead flesh does not lead to health, the only way to gain vibrant health is to eat live fresh plant material. No one can argue with this.

For starters we are all INDIVIDUALS, you have to treat the individual and their body

This is a bunch of bull, we are all the same species. Diets are species specific, individuals in species don't eat different foods


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