that is insanity, everyone knows red meat is packed full of protien and stuff.
i challenge you to rpove this beyond a shadow of a doubt, since multiple sources and articles written by various doctors and professors can easily be debunked, meat has protien .
stop spreading lies on teh interenet.

good some people are looking at what they are ingesting. cancer , the best de-pop disease category ever, is widely looked over in western society. It sucks that america is more about treatment or living with it then preventing and curing.

Most things we are in contact with has some cancer-gen, in it, we ingest,digest,apply way too many chemicals that are engineered by man and made for profit instead of for health. I could just be paranoid but it seems the powers that be want us to be sick, more money for them either way you look at it.

I've been steadily trying to fix not my diet but my overall habit towards food. Going to organic veggies, high fructose free drinks, fluoride free toothpaste, less overall digestion of non natural chems. has affected my health alot since the switch. Take it for what it is, just an opinion, but good thread op

I know that there's no way you'll change your mind. I am, however, posting so everyone else reading this thread will see the flaws in your reasoning and "research."

Your response means nothing. If anything, your approach of ignoring me is an obvious attempt to ignore facts and reasoning.

I'm sorry...but while you're busy ignoring.......

I'll be Denying INGNORANCE.

-Dev

I'm sorry to disagree with the original poster but it has always been my theory that all modern "Diseases" are the result of either a toxic level of something or a deficiency of something in our diet.

I ran across a posting on some web site (probably this one) that indicated that all forms of cancer are merely a manifestation of a vitamin B-17 deficiency in our diet and it made perfect sense to me. The modern diet in most of the civilized world includes almost 0 vitamin B-17 and in fact we are told that many of the things that contain the vitamin are poisonous so that we won't eat them.

In 1902, Professor John Beard first noted that there was almost no difference between highly malignant cancer, and certain pre-embryonic cells known as Trophoblast. Stating further, “they're one and the same”.

So because cancer and trophblastic cells are one in the same, the body does not recognize them as an external threat. In fact quite the opposite, trophoblastic cells come with a protective protein barrier. This barrier carries a negative charge, as do white blood cells. Most people are aware that, similar magnetic forces repel each other. Thus, when white cells come in contact with Trophoblastic Cells, they are repelled away.

Trophoblast cells also act identically to cancer, spreading and multiplying rapidly. It eats into the Uterus wall to create a place for the embryo to attach itself, so that it can be protected and nurtured. This continues till the 8th week of fetal growth. Until more recent times, scientists were baffled by the sudden and immediate destruction of all Trophoblastic Cells around the 8th week of development. The reason for it though, is that this is when the Pancreas is developed and begins to release Trypsin.

Trypsin allows the body to breakdown the protective, protein barrier around the Trophoblast cell and allows white blood cells to eliminate it. This is the bodies first line of defense versus Cancer. White blood cells carry a negative charge, as does the protein barrier, which is why white cells are unable to destroy the trophoblast cells without Trypsin. Thus, upon the pancreases inception and immediate release of trypsin at 8 weeks, all trophoblastic cells are eliminated from the fetus.

Absent Trypsin (from the liver), or Vitamin B17 (from diet), the human body is unable to destroy this protective barrier so that white cells can defeat the cell.

Trophoblastic cells are created when a type of Diploid Cell nicknamed “Total Life Cells(TLC's)”, come in contact with estrogen. If this occurs during reproduction, then these are life giving and essential cells. But if these cells come in contact with estrogen in the natural healing process of the body, they become cancer.

Approximately 20% of the Total Life Cells, are present across the body. The other 80% reside in the Ovaries and testes. When the body is attacked by any means be it carcinogens, or environmental factors, it attempts to heal itself. The bodies sends estrogen to the site, and if the Total Life Cells are present, they will morph into Trophoblastic cells, AKA, CANCER.

Yes there are literally hundreds of causes of Cancer. All of these causes determine when, and where the cancer will manifest. But, if your body has it's full defenses available, as soon as a trophoblastic cell is created (anywhere, other than in the Uterus), it is destroyed. If the Trypsin in the Pancreas fails to do its job, then the second line of defense the "Cure for cancer", kicks in, Vitamin B17.

When B17 encounters cancerous cells, the cells are abundant with the Unlocking Enzyme. The cyanide is released, attacking the cancer cells which have ample Unlocking Enzyme present. The enzyme that turns B17 poisonous is only found in Cancer Cells, not healthy cells.

Throughout the rest of the healthy body, B17 encounters the Protecting Enzyme, which releases the sugar and converts the cyanide to Thiocyanate. So Vitamin B17 is deadly to cancer, and inert to all healthy cells

None of this is new. I learned this back in the early 90's from Harvey Diamond's books called Fit for Life. (I also study health and nutrition as a layperson - a school called natural hygiene) It boils down to is your diet more acidic or more alkaline. The more alkaline you are the healthier you will be. Meat is o.k. in small amounts. But your food needs to be combined properly so you can digest all of it properly without it rotting in your stomach. The web is full of food combining charts.. but it's not well known and people don't use them.

Milk is especially bad for you. it's got antibiotics, puss and urine that the government admits they can't screen out. It alone can cause tons of health problems.

But if you choose not to eat meat that's o.k... because the plant forms of any vitamin and mineral you find in meat or milk is just as good for you and more easily digestible.

I started my journey of health truth years ago when I used to sell Herbalife health and nutrition products. It was noticed that when a persons level of nutrition got better their symptoms of disease would begin to clear up. I was fascinated by this. With proper knowledge there is no reason why anyone doesn't have the ability to be healthy.. even reverse some serious disease ( if caught in time) like cancer. The lies our government tell us about health are truly astounding.

Originally posted by Dragonsbreaths
You are a **** trying to make people believe this drivel.
As someone dieing from cancer and spoken to a lot of doctors who specialize in cancer, not one of them will say diet has anything to do with getting rid of cancer, causing, or preventing it. There is just to much they are not sure of.
So unlike you I know what you are saying is dangerous for people who are grasping at straws for a way to survive.
That is not to say there are not a lot of options that are out there they are working on. So there is always hope. I just feel like it is wrong to give someone with limited time false hope. And telling someone who needs the nutrients in those foods not to eat them is one of the worst things anyone could do.

I sympathize with you. I know exactly where your coming from. I have had many health related problems in my past and once believed modern medicine was always right. What's that Mom used to say, "The doctor knows best." The simple truth is that Doctors are not taught a lot of these things in medical school. They are not taught that nutrition plays a part in disease. If they were, and they could just tell you to eat better and take vitamins, they would be out of a job.

Do you know the pharmaceutical companies supply many of the training tools for Doctors. I am sure this plays a factor in their education. Doctors are not taught health. They are taught medicine which is pharmaceuticals. They are not bad people themselves, they just do not know and believe these things not because they aren't true, but because they are taught that only medicine can cure disease.

So naturally if you ask you doctor about these things they can only tell you what they were taught, medicine. But they have not studied health from this point of view. It is true than these alternative types of health are better for prevention, and do not work as well when a person has a disease that has taken deep root in the body. But many times if caught early enough these alternative remedies can help the body heal itself better and with much less side effects than by use of pharmaceuticals.

There is truth out there. If you want to know more, I suggest you talk to an expert in naturopathic or homeopathic medicine.

In 2007 my brain tumor returned as a grade 4 globastomulteforme. I was given 18 months to live. At the time i was bombarded with this type of information from the OP. Cutting out all my favorite foods. The problem being I needed to eat.Eat anything or else i would have had no energy to fight the disease. i made no changes to my diet and due to the steroids increased my intake of food. Its all very well this advice, but when your given such a dire prognosis, you want to eat all your favorite foods as comfort and the thought , "hey i havn't got long, might as well enjoy my food". I try not to give advice to other people I know with cancer, but when people are coming up to chemotherapy, I just encourage them to eat. Eat as your gonna feel like s%it. Eat what you enjoy, because your not going lose your appetite and lose weight. I felt better when I was going into chemo with a few extra pounds on me.

just wanted to add this to show how its not always so easy to have control over your diet when diagnosed with cancer.

[edit on 15-11-2009 by woodwardjnr]

the replies this thread are a good example of knee jerk cognitive dissonance, inDR.nation, and woodwardjnr's classic post, resigning to death and not changing a damn thing about your diet which IS (almost certainly) what caused this. if you eat the same hormone riddled, cheap, disgusting animal product, and drink the same disgusting city water and expose yourself to the same toxic elements you have done absolutely nothing to help yourself especially not by desperetley clinging to every drip of BS from your oncologist's prick as if they are out to help you in any way. yeah, do nothing to change your diet cause yer gonna die anyway, that's solid logic. i admire that will to live and want to make a difference in your life and others while you wither away.

QUI BONO. the new nutrition crackdown and laws and codex are the EXACT things you SHOULD be eating because disease and death make the most profit. B17--ILLEGAL? they are even pushing for vitamin-C. when will you wake up screaming and breaking these chains of insanity?



your doctor didn't become a doctor to help anyone, especially not an oncologist if he wanted to help anyone (college freshman: "i'm gonna cure cancer!" phd: "how the **** will i pay off my student loans?... OHHH"). he'd have become a nutritionist. anyone who thinks diet has nothing to do with cancer, enjoy dealing with it. i'm sure your family will thank you for all the problems it causes them, but you'll thank them for that garbage fast food they bring you in the hospital which is probably even worse for you than hospital food.

-huge exhale-