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Originally posted by 12.21.12
Over the years, I have been exposed to religious conspiracies, government conspiracies and educational conspiracies all which in some way or another giver credit to Satan as the ultimate reason for mankinds own downfall and crimes against humanity.
Yet despite all the bickering, every one of Satans critics have failed to produce any evidence that Satan or Lucifer exists at all.
In the New Testament the Adversary has many names, but "Lucifer" is not among them. He is called "Satan" (Matt. 4:10; Mark 1:13, 4:15; Luke 10:18), "devil" (Matt. 4:1), "adversary" (1. Peter 5:8, ἀντίδικος; 1. Tim. 5:14, ἀντικείμενος), "enemy" (Matt. 13:39), "accuser" (Rev. 12:10), "old serpent" (Rev. 20:2), "great dragon" (Rev. 12:9), Beelzebub (Matt. 10:25, 12:24), and Belial (comp. Samael). In Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2. Cor. 6:16, and Rev. 12:9 the fall of Satan is mentioned. The devil is regarded as the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2. Cor. 11:3; Ephes. 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2. Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9). Satan brought death itself into the world (Heb. 2:13), being ever the tempter (1. Cor. 7:5; 1. Thess. 3:5; 1. Peter 5:8), even as he tempted Jesus (Matt. 4). The Christian demonology and belief in the devil dominated subsequent periods. However, though the New Testament includes the conception that Satan fell from heaven "as lightning" (Luke 10:18; Rev. 12:7-10),  it nowhere applies the name Lucifer to him.
Originally posted by Tomis_Nexis
reply to post by 12.21.12
It's God that causes all this hell. I'm not a religious man for that reason.
And If God was real he'd show himself now and then...but wait he does, according to Christians he performs miracles everyday, yet all the bad stuff must be Satan...yeah, it can't be the good guy, just like in our society, the good guy is our Gov't, and they'll never do anything bad to us.
[edit on 15-11-2009 by Tomis_Nexis]
Eventually Pharaoh let the Hebrews depart after Moses's God sent ten plagues upon the Egyptians. The third and fourth were the plague of gnats and flies. The fifth was the invasion of diseases on the Egyptians' cattle, oxen, goats, sheep, camels, and horses. The sixth was boils on the skins of Egyptians. Seventh, fiery hail and thunder struck Egypt. The eighth plague was locusts encompassing Egypt. The ninth plague was total darkness. The tenth plague culminated in the slaying of the Egyptian male first-borns, whereupon such terror seized the Egyptians that they ordered the Hebrews to leave in the Exodus. The events are commemorated as Passover, referring to how the plague "passed over" the houses of the Israelites while smiting the Egyptians.
Originally posted by defcon5
“The greatest trick Satan ever pulled on the world was to convince them that he never existed.”
A good quote, because its true.
While the watchers lusted to be like the men of Earth, Satan wanted to be like the Most High. he wanted to be God, so the two are not the same.
12"How you have (O)fallen from heaven,
O (P)star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!
13"But you said in your heart,
'I will (Q)ascend to heaven;
I will (R)raise my throne above the stars of God,
And I will sit on the mount of assembly
In the recesses of the north.
14'I will ascend above the heights of the clouds;
(S)I will make myself like the Most High.'
15"Nevertheless you (T)will be thrust down to Sheol,
To the recesses of the pit.
Originally posted by tribewilder
reply to post by pepsi78
Does the virus that is attacking the cell think that it is evil? or wrong? no.
It is just surviving. It is your mind that makes the distinction that the virus is bad.
Think about the earth as a whole. In my mind the biggest virus is man.
Would the earth be better or worse off with no humans present?
I stand by my words that right and wrong are a thought only.