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Arrested for Telling the Truth

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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Well the title of this thread pretty much explains the video.

Can you guys tell me what she did wrong? I don't see what she did to get arrested. all she did was voice her opinion.





posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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I'm not entirely sure.

What scares me is I say a lot of those things publicly myself. She sounded like a true humanitarian. It was very surreal seeing people attack such a viewpoint.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:24 PM
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Did you see the flag with the snake that said "Unite or die"?
I have seen that banner being promoted by religious xtian groups.

Now why are the xtians promoting unification in the serpent?

Btw....usually when I see chaos and arguing, as well as public displays like this, it's pretty obvious anymore that it is being staged by religious right groups. The religious left (left wing, right wing=same bird. Remember?) is usually a little more subtle and sophisticated.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:29 PM
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It historically represented the thirteen colonies. The story was that cut up they were weaker, but together they had the venom and power of the rattlesnake.

unite or die

What's strange is I'd have thought these people waving the flag would have embraced her. This is where I lose a grip on their motivations.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:45 PM
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I know, it kind of gave me a flashback of the G20 protests in September, but 10x less intense.

I still cannot figure out why she was arrested!!!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:24 PM
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If I was her, I would have them officers up on Fraud and Sedition charges.
They clearly don't know the Law, and they all conspired against her to take away her Sovereign Rights.

If you do not now your Rights, then you don't have any.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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well I've come across this a few times (playing concerts you have to get people to smuggle camera's in to get photographed) it is actually because she filmed/photographed people without their consent (this is because of the internet really). Obviously the cop wasn't a consenting person. He basically got tired of her bugging him with a camera so he nabbed her on that.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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im sure they only took her because she was a ginge!

serioulsy tho, whats with NO one stopping and asking them the police. one guy steps forward, the cops pushed him back and that was it. if enuff ppl stood in front and surrounded them they coulda got some answers.

i a had a mate taken into custody once. drunk n disorderly. but i wouldnt let them haul him off till i knew he was going to be ok, one chick cop even went for her baton, till i took a ready position. another cop stopped her.

they told me where he was going, how long he would be there and why.. i was satisfied, they were and that was that.

mind you aisde from in victoria, australian cops dont generally shoot you...



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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In a lot of ways the OP's video is similar to this one. I wouldn't be surprised if they were inspired by them.

The problem is we probably aren't allowed to use mics. 2nd the guys from London had legal documentation with them to prove their case. 3rd the people in the USA video were very aggressive in their actions and speech (dare I say drinking).

If we did an experiment and tried the same thing here, but acted calmly, tried to explain ourselves, and we had better understanding of the laws than the cops-this wouldn't happen. Be prepared. Don't act rash.

Don't be rude. If you retaliate with love the cops will not be rude. It is almost like a karma thing. People react to how you react. Act rash than this will happen.

The people in the USA video were trying to fight for what they believe. I am sure they really truely belived what they were saying, but they went at it wrong. I'm sorry to say it, and I do not mean to offend anyone by saying it.

It is admirable, but they did it in the wrong way. Manipulation is key. Understand that and you can really change things and have your voice heard.

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by Alethea
 


It historically represented the thirteen colonies. The story was that cut up they were weaker, but together they had the venom and power of the rattlesnake.

unite or die

What's strange is I'd have thought these people waving the flag would have embraced her. This is where I lose a grip on their motivations.


I believe that as well. Unite or die. It is not join or die anymore as they said. It is now unite or die. We must unite or we might as well die. We joined; now we must unite.

As for why they didn't embrace her, well, just listen to her. She was aggressive and she invited those emotions in return.

Even if you are the most ignorant of ignorant you will not be able to handle someone who is true from the heart. It will shut them down and shut them up.

These last two post of mine are all good happy thoughts, but at the same time, I worry. What if this country is so far down that we are this different than other modernized countries? Have we fallen this far or did the speakers do things wrong?

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:14 PM
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I believe that as well. Unite or die. It is not join or die anymore as they said. It is now unite or die. We must unite or we might as well die. We joined; now we must unite.


Yes I used unite or die, because of the difference in historical perspective, we are already joined. This has been touched on by better thinkers then I.

I don't think she was aggressive unless we're arguing psychology here. Perhaps she challenged their status quo to strongly, but that's what they were also doing. This is where I don't follow along.

The reaction of the people in the crowd who seem to be upset because she's protesting while they're protesting. There's something a bit mystifying about a constitutional advocate telling a person who is exercising her right to free speech that she's causing trouble.




well I've come across this a few times (playing concerts you have to get people to smuggle camera's in to get photographed) it is actually because she filmed/photographed people without their consent (this is because of the internet really). Obviously the cop wasn't a consenting person. He basically got tired of her bugging him with a camera so he nabbed her on that.


The one with the camera was not arrested.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by Seiko
Yes I used unite or die, because of the difference in historical perspective, we are already joined. This has been touched on by better thinkers then I.

I don't think she was aggressive unless we're arguing psychology here. Perhaps she challenged their status quo to strongly, but that's what they were also doing. This is where I don't follow along.

The reaction of the people in the crowd who seem to be upset because she's protesting while they're protesting. There's something a bit mystifying about a constitutional advocate telling a person who is exercising her right to free speech that she's causing trouble.




well I've come across this a few times (playing concerts you have to get people to smuggle camera's in to get photographed) it is actually because she filmed/photographed people without their consent (this is because of the internet really). Obviously the cop wasn't a consenting person. He basically got tired of her bugging him with a camera so he nabbed her on that.


The one with the camera was not arrested.


It is not psychology in my opinion. It is tone of voice. I obviously cannot explain that on a forum, but tone really matters. Listen to the tones in the British version versus the USA version.

She really was angry and aggressive. We need to overcome that. We can be calm and controlled in all actions and that WILL throw the TBTB off. Just look at the two videos and analyze them.

Yes the cops were jerks. Did she provoke it? Yes. She had a good message, but the wrong means.

I can understand what you say.

Yes, the others should relate to her. They should try to see what she was really saying. It'd be a great world if that was true. The fact is she was pissed. That caused others to be pissed as well. It is sad but true.

No one ended up listening to one another. Learn from it.


edit~it could be psychology. I guess I just analyze people too much. It is the way it is. I can't help it. I need to post a new topic on this.

On what? On the way people think, react, say, and feel. Give it time. I have to lay low right now


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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Really this is a sort of proof that we are becoming divided. We are becoming extremely divided. It is not a United States of America. We are the Divided States of America.

Wake up America. We have a job to do as a united people. It has been a long time since it has been necessary, but it is time.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by kevinsquibben
reply to post by ugie1028
 


well I've come across this a few times (playing concerts you have to get people to smuggle camera's in to get photographed) it is actually because she filmed/photographed people without their consent (this is because of the internet really). Obviously the cop wasn't a consenting person. He basically got tired of her bugging him with a camera so he nabbed her on that.


I can't watch the video so I can't comment about what might have happened really but I can say that this did not happen.

Where you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" these things are illegal. And generally then, its only the audio that is illegal. On public streets, at concerts, in public buildings they are not.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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I can't watch the video so I can't comment about what might have happened really but I can say that this did not happen.

Where you have a "reasonable expectation of privacy" these things are illegal. And generally then, its only the audio that is illegal. On public streets, at concerts, in public buildings they are not.


As for this not happening. This happens all the time. Cops abuse their power. Actually, anyone with power tends to abuse their power. It is a fact of our current lives. It does and will happen. Sorry to burst your bubble there, but look around you. Things are not so ideal. Yes, there are people in power who try to work with us and for us, but they get trampled or killed. It is sad to watch, but we can't do anything at this time. It is our own fault. We gave them that power, and if they get raped and we do nothing, it is our fault. Understand?

Reasonable expectations can apply to anything. I just quoted you. Does that count as privacy? People post pictures on facebook with others in them. Does that count? When companies make videos on cctv does that count as privacy? News companies make videos in public places and do not ask consent of anyone. Does that count as privacy? Colleges take pictures and videos of anyone and everyone for advertisement. Tourist make videos all the time of anything. Well? What is it then?

When you are in a public setting anything can and will go when it comes to the cameras. It is the way it should be. Think paparazzi. Think the national inquirer. We can, will, and should make footage if we can. We have that right to document our experiences in any way we fell necessary.

If we can't, then outlaw cameras and recorders 100% in public or not at all.

How can you say it is not illegal at concerts? Uploading a video from a concert would definitely be a copyright issue. Don't use that argument. A lot of concerts are recorded to make movies. Dollar dollar bill y'all.


As for this women. She was in the public domain taking videos of essentially public owned officers. We pay for them. We can tape them and they can tape us.

Remember that officers. We own you. We pay for you. It is also our right to fight you in the legal system if you are wrong. If you lose your job over it, it is your own fault. Many of us can and will fight you. Get informed.

The people that fight you may not mean any malice towards you what-so-ever, but in the end we still just want to be able to be fair and just.

Long live the republic. Not the democracy. Not the capitalism. Not the socialism. The REPUBLIC. Read more. Look up the differences. Shades of gray they are. In the end however they all have one simple truth.

We give away our power and we can take it back.

[edit on 15-11-2009 by s373r3d]



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 04:55 AM
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I will share another simple truth that deserves it's own thread. It is not what you do or say that matters. It comes down to speech.

What it boils down to is talking the talk. Leaders need to be able to do this. They need to be able to inspire trust. They need us to follow them. At the same time they can be as dumb as a brick. All that matters is speech.

Even if you are dumb, but you can talk out your bum, people will listen and believe. That is why we have people in power.

Speaking ability does not relate to leadership ability.

I have had the opportunity to be in leadership positions. I failed at gaining them. What it really came down to though was I couldn't talk the talk.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 06:40 AM
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She spoke the truth adamantly, and got arrested either for not having a permit to speak freely (which under the US constitution-everybody is entitled to free speech). It appears her constitutional rights were violated. When the constitutional rights are ignored then fascism is the next step.

I have family in America and to see that their free speech is eroded makes me angry and sad at the same time. America was built on constitutional rights and for those rights to be taken away means that instead of being a democratic union it has become fascist.

It is a shock for me to see that this woman was arrested for speaking out; it doesn't matter, if people disagreed with her on the day. They spoke their piece of mind and they didn't get arrested. She was also, speaking up for the right of another individual. G-d Bless Her.

Thanks for posting this video. People need to recognise what is happening to their rights in which was a democracy.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by rachel07
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She spoke the truth adamantly, and got arrested either for not having a permit to speak freely (which under the US constitution-everybody is entitled to free speech). It appears her constitutional rights were violated. When the constitutional rights are ignored then fascism is the next step.

I have family in America and to see that their free speech is eroded makes me angry and sad at the same time. America was built on constitutional rights and for those rights to be taken away means that instead of being a democratic union it has become fascist.

It is a shock for me to see that this woman was arrested for speaking out; it doesn't matter, if people disagreed with her on the day. They spoke their piece of mind and they didn't get arrested. She was also, speaking up for the right of another individual. G-d Bless Her.

Thanks for posting this video. People need to recognise what is happening to their rights in which was a democracy.





She was speaking from the heart and admirably at that. The problrm comes in when you add the human factor.

She had a great message to tell, but at the same time, she was aggresssive. I wish it woseen't this way, but it is. What will we do abou it?



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by s373r3d

As for this not happening. This happens all the time. Cops abuse their power. Actually, anyone with power tends to abuse their power. It is a fact of our current lives. It does and will happen. Sorry to burst your bubble there, but look around you. Things are not so ideal. Yes, there are people in power who try to work with us and for us, but they get trampled or killed. It is sad to watch, but we can't do anything at this time. It is our own fault. We gave them that power, and if they get raped and we do nothing, it is our fault. Understand?

Reasonable expectations can apply to anything. I just quoted you. Does that count as privacy? People post pictures on facebook with others in them. Does that count? When companies make videos on cctv does that count as privacy? News companies make videos in public places and do not ask consent of anyone. Does that count as privacy? Colleges take pictures and videos of anyone and everyone for advertisement. Tourist make videos all the time of anything. Well? What is it then?

When you are in a public setting anything can and will go when it comes to the cameras. It is the way it should be. Think paparazzi. Think the national inquirer. We can, will, and should make footage if we can. We have that right to document our experiences in any way we fell necessary.

If we can't, then outlaw cameras and recorders 100% in public or not at all.

How can you say it is not illegal at concerts? Uploading a video from a concert would definitely be a copyright issue. Don't use that argument. A lot of concerts are recorded to make movies. Dollar dollar bill y'all.


As for this women. She was in the public domain taking videos of essentially public owned officers. We pay for them. We can tape them and they can tape us.

Remember that officers. We own you. We pay for you. It is also our right to fight you in the legal system if you are wrong. If you lose your job over it, it is your own fault. Many of us can and will fight you. Get informed.

The people that fight you may not mean any malice towards you what-so-ever, but in the end we still just want to be able to be fair and just.

Long live the republic. Not the democracy. Not the capitalism. Not the socialism. The REPUBLIC. Read more. Look up the differences. Shades of gray they are. In the end however they all have one simple truth.

We give away our power and we can take it back.

[edit on 15-11-2009 by s373r3d]


My bad, I guess I was misunderstood or just wasn't clear. I didn't so much mean it didn't or wouldn't happen. I have tons of youtube videos of people literally being arrested for filming in a public place.

My point is that it is not illegal to film in a public place, she could easily be arrested for it by an overzealous officer. Would be an easy charge to beat though and virtually anyone who has been arrested for that has beat it.

Filming at a concert, under my definition is legal. Now if the promoter/artist etc bans it on their own thats a different bowl of cheerios.

I don't know if you're unfamiliar with the law, or just trying to be funny. But "reasonable expectation" cannot apply to "just about anything."

Places that afford that reasonable expectation are in a public setting would be dressing rooms, bathrooms, etc... Your yard and your home would be another, as well as any other private home or facilities.

I went through this subject pretty thoroughly with a lawyer a few years ago. I planned on putting up a surveillance camera and my neighbor said she would call the police. So I one upped her and did it myself, they said I should contact a lawyer so I did. In the end, I could have a camera pointed even in their yard if I really wanted to as long as I didn't record audio it was not illegal.

Expectation of privacy

Look into laws regarding videotaping. For a few months its all I did, and I'm speaking from that legal research. It may vary from state to state, but basically you can be filmed anywhere except a place where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy. If someone wants to show your image in a public forum I'm almost certain they have to get your permission or black your face out. And usually, audio is protected regardless of the situation.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 02:54 PM
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I wanted to add a related thread of mine into this one.

Who does this government consider an enemy?



Who does this government consider an enemy?



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