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10 Ways Darwin got it wrong - The Conspiracy of Evolution

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 08:52 PM
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What an arrogant website that source of the ops post is!!!



Ultimately, only the Bible explains both the origin and meaning of life on earth. Only God's prophetic Word reveals where mankind is really headed as we face an otherwise unknown and increasingly uncertain future. The Bible reveals why humanity exists and the majestic nature of our final destiny. Atheistic evolution, sadly, has no clue and no say! GN


They justify their viewpoint by quoting the bible...as if anything that's written in the bible is the truth, lol. Also, if what they say is true, than the majority (read: all us non-Christians) are wrong. What an arrogant way to view the world without having any sort of proper proof or backup. You can't prove stuff simply through belief!! If you could, then all you guys had to believe the same as I do, namely that the world was created by a giant purple turtle who farted, and we are nothing but the molecules of that fart. I have this written on a piece of paper, so please believe it...anything else must be wrong!!




posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Sigh, you people just don't get it. Even if you could actually "disprove" Darwin, which you can't, that is not really De Facto proof that your "Designer", (and, let's face it, you mean JHVH from the Old Testament and no one else) is real. You want to establish as scientific fact that every living thing was created by a supernatural, all-powerful entity who had substance and existence before anything had substance and existence. If there were no atoms before creation then of what is the body of God composed of? If there was no energy before creation then exactly what powers God's mind? Many of your fellow Christians answer these questions with the assertion that, "God is comprised of spirit and not flesh"! Fine! Please produce some of this spirit in a quantifiable form so that I can study this wonderous material that existed before the existence of anything actually happened.
So why don't we put all the cards on the table right now and call the spade a spade? Advancing science is not what you people are all about. What you really desire is to advance superstition and fear in a population that is woefully under-educated in matters of science for power and profit. all you can bring to the table are nit-picky arguments against Evolution. When you're challenged to deliver some actual proof that your Space Daddy exists all we get are the same nit-picky arguments about evolution, and nothing else, as if that's all the proof you need. But I could easily postulate that the flaws in Darwin's theory are proof that the universe is really the result of the harmonic convergence of the noise generated by a thousand invisible giant (& holy, let's not forget holy) crickets, all rubbing their hind legs together in perfect synchronization, and your Darwin debunking would be equally effective proof to support my clearly absurd claim.

In order to prove the design you have to produce some clear evidence of the designer, like his luggage or his passport or a sample of his hair for dna analysis. And you honestly can never do that, can you? So, at best, all your objections to Darwin can honestly do is to assert that his theory of natural selection does not seem, at least to you folks, to be an adequate explanation for the diversity of life that we observe to exist around us. That would be a valid argument. To insist that your nit-picks are ignored by serious scientists and that represents proof of some kind of conspiracy against your ,frankly, idiiotic theory, is simply off the wall and probably just another propaganda ploy by a well-oiled money machine of which you are merely a cog.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:08 PM
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Thanks!
Well the last poster liked it, so there!



If you could, then all you guys had to believe the same as I do, namely that the world was created by a giant purple turtle who farted, and we are nothing but the molecules of that fart.

Could happen I guess!
All us guys?
More stereotyping and assuming?
Nevermind on the rest.
I cant answer you seriously when I'm laughing this hard, sorry!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:17 PM
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Oh oh. Thanks.
Another 'you people" post.

Good luck with that thousand cricket thingy yourself!

Could also happen I guess.

Its actually okay if you dont understand the 'daddy in the sky'.
It/he is a deep subject after all.
Requires a little more than a passport and some luggage!


All I can say is you have no idea who I am, and for you to
keep saying 'you people' shows your ignorance about "us people".

Ya, I'll find Gods passport for ya!

"You people" crack me up!

Thanks for the laughs!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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This thread is “10 ways Darwin got it wrong” but you need to give Darwin more credit. The observations that Darwin made were very astute. He developed a very elegant theory. And he is right about natural selection, even if evolution does not explain creation. He was a genius but should not be a divine figure for anyone. The theory is much too basic to explain the creation of life. I can’t believe that scientists can be so willing to believe this theory that they check their skepticism at the door.
Anyone who has read or seen videos “Darwin’s Black Box” by Molecular Biologist Michael Behe should realize that the coordination that goes on inside the cell is just unbelievable. There is a whole factory going on inside the cell. The following clip shows part of what is going on, but if you can find the complete video, it really shows how DNA instructs the cell do things and it is amazing.


Once you know what is going on inside the cell, I don’t see how you can believe in anything other than a designer. If I stumbled upon a fully loaded car in the middle of the desert with gas in the tank and keys in the ignition, in fully working order, my first thought would be “Who put this here?” Yet scientists see the inner workings of the cell and have to endure mental gymnastics in order to claim that the whole factory just appeared from nowhere. How silly!! If you cannot see that life is a design, then you are just not being serious.


[edit on 14-11-2009 by EyesUpToTheHills]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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Star for you and thank you!
Your post made me think, I like that!
Thank you for the video also!
My bad if it seems I didnt give him enough credit.
You are correct, he deserves some credit.

You know I agree with you and all "you people"!

That still kills me!

Would I really be on ATS if I was one of "you people"?
Hilarious!


[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:32 PM
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Hmmm well obviously the book of genesis is either not to be taken literally or dumbed down to what we could understand 2000 years ago. What thoughts on that?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:40 PM
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We don't understand it NOW, let alone two thousand years ago!
Maybe without constant media bombardment back then people
were more apt to look at things differently. Who knows.

I know our egos are way out there nowadays!

We will never find God with this "me first, God is bad anyway", attitude.
How sad for so many lost sheep.
Thanks for the question and your post!
Many people actually believe they are God!
How whacked is that!



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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by dodadoom

#2 The supposed simplicity of the cell.


......So it turns out that cells are far more complex and sophisticated than Darwin could have conceived of. How did mere chance produce this, when even human planning and engineering cannot? In fact, no laboratory has come close to replicating even a single human hair!



But.. Isn't that what they did with Dolly the Sheep? It's called cloning.. Or is that different than what your talking about?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by EvolvedMinistry
Hey, if this helps you sleep better at night...go ahead and keep attacking science, and continue to believe whatever information coincides with your established predispositions.

However, did it ever occur to you that GOD creates through EVOLUTION? Or is that too much of a jump to make from what the bible says is true?

We have proof of evolution. Viruses will evolve to their surroundings and become stronger with new and improved vaccines. People of different skin color evolve to their climate and region and location according to the equator. Dominant species (us) evolves from updates and upgrades in technologies and resources etc.

And...LETS NOT FORGET THE DINOSAURS THAT WE HAVE PROOF OF, THAT GOD MADE, AND ALLOWED TO ROAM THE EARTH BEFORE YOU AND I WERE EVER A THOUGHT.

The typical Christian response to that one is this...God, or Satan, put the bones there to test your faith.

No...the bones are there because they were used by the beings that NEEDED THEM, i.e. "Dinosaurs." This earth is estimated to be about 1.6 billion years old. Now, since I cannot prove the earth's actual age, I will just have to go on research made by specialists in their field with more knowledge and experience than I have such as: paleontologists and astronomers who are highly educated and have PHD's to back up their hard work.

YES, I believe in creationism. However, a work of art is an ever EVOLVING process, and its quite possible that GOD creates his/her/its art through the means of evolution. Science and religion are not that far apart in overall theory. But, for some reason, each faction chooses to cling to the idea that they need to be separate in order for each to have validity. Its all childish nonsense if you ask me.



[edit on 14-11-2009 by EvolvedMinistry]


I think you meant the viruses were adapting to their enviroment


Adaptation is the process whereby a population becomes better suited to its habitat.[1][2] This process takes place over many generations,[3] and is one of the basic phenomena of biology
Source: en.wikipedia.org...

Not evolution The viruses are still the same viruses only with different adaptations. They are still human beings only with different adaptations,, dark skin,,pale skin,,slanted eyes,etc....


Evolution is change in the genetic material of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. Though changes produced in any one generation are normally small, differences accumulate with each generation over time.
Source: en.wikipedia.org...

As well cmon dinosuars cmon!. Christians belive in intelligent design but by god. And dinosuars were part of that process. And FYI Dinosuars are in the bible. But a little background info. The term Dinosuar was not used until the 1800's, 1841 to be exact. To keep this short here is what the bible described dinosuars as Tanniyn or behemoth or Leviathan. All these were in the bible. The creation story in genesis can't be taken verbatim. Our "Intelligent Designer" or "God" or whatever doesn't experince time like we do, or has a way to manipulate it. Darwin himself stated he had many problems with his own THEORY.-JcOg323

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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until you all realize that it wasn't JUST evolution that brought us life , then you will continue to believe half truths...



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:45 PM
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I suggest that each time a creationist troll-bait thread pops up, you report it to the mods and otherwise ignore it.

They pretty much just wanna bring you down to their level and beat you up with experience, it's really not worth the blood pressure.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:57 PM
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It would not matter if Darwin got 100 things wrong. It is still better than any of the " our fairy God father made us " theory some people believe.

The simple fact is all religion is based on dumb humans trying to understand the universe, and failing to do so having to make something up to save face. That accounts for ALL the religions in the world.

Remember "faith" is just another word for " I hope"

I prefer "I Think"



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by EyesUpToTheHills
Once you know what is going on inside the cell, I don’t see how you can believe in anything other than a designer. If I stumbled upon a fully loaded car in the middle of the desert with gas in the tank and keys in the ignition, in fully working order, my first thought would be “Who put this here?” Yet scientists see the inner workings of the cell and have to endure mental gymnastics in order to claim that the whole factory just appeared from nowhere. How silly!! If you cannot see that life is a design, then you are just not being serious.
[edit on 14-11-2009 by EyesUpToTheHills]


Except we know cars are manufactured and we have empirical evidence to support this (you know, facts, those nifty things that creationists seem to have no idea about). Scientists do this so that they can understand biological functions, because if it weren't for science, we would still be beating each other over the head with clubs. To simply say "god did it" because we don't understand something, is not only ignorant, but also a cop out.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by DisappearCompletely]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:03 PM
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Thanks for the post! Star!
I would have to say replicating a complete cell from scratch is far harder
if not outright impossible to do than clone cells that are already formed.
Dolly was cloned from another sheep, she was not created from scratch!
You need something as a "smart framework" to start with.
I this case it would be one with the following capabilities already in place: (from article)
* Information processing, storage and retrieval.
• Artificial languages and their decoding systems.
• Error detection, correction and proofreading devices for quality control.
• Digital data-embedding technology.
• Transportation and distribution systems.
• Automated parcel addressing (similar to zip codes and UPS labels).
• Assembly processes employing pre-fabrication and modular construction.
• Self-reproducing robotic manufacturing plants.


As molecular biologist Jonathan Wells and mathematician William Dembski point out: "It's true that eukaryotic cells are the most complicated cells we know. But the simplest life forms we know, the prokaryotic cells (such as bacteria, which lack a nucleus), are themselves immensely complex. Moreover, they are every bit as high-tech as the eukaryotic cells—if eukaryotes are like state-of-the-art laptop computers, then prokaryotes are like state-of-the-art cell phones... There is no evidence whatsoever of earlier, more primitive life forms from which prokaryotes might have evolved" (How to Be an Intellectually Fulfilled Atheist (or Not), 2008, p. 4).

What Charles Darwin saw under a crude microscope looked quite primitive—a rounded glob of matter called "protoplasm"—and he thought it consisted of a few elementary components that could be easily assembled.

This is simply refuting Darwins theory. Nothing else.
Times have changed, we know more now basically.
This has been posted.
Still does not refute or rebuke the creationist theory either btw.
Thanks again! Peace!


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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by thedeadtruth
The simple fact is all religion is based on dumb humans trying to understand the universe, and failing to do so having to make something up to save face. That accounts for ALL the religions in the world.

Remember "faith" is just another word for " I hope"

I prefer "I Think"


Instead of all religion, I think you should replace it with Abrahamic religion. The main goal of Hinduism is to remove human suffering; the same is true with Buddhism and Jainism. Confucianism is about developing a compassionate society; Daoism is about achieving union with the Dao.

Abrahamic religions seem to be the only ones fixated on fear and oppression.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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you do realize that your response is an ad hominem in itself, right? Then again, logically, so is this response as well.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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What the earth is only a few thousand years old isnt it?
LOL!
But thats what they taught us in sunday school!
LOL!
Just being a butt. Excuse me.
Love your post!

Thanks!



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by dodadoom
Still does not refute or rebuke the creationist theory either btw.
Thanks again! Peace!


[edit on 14-11-2009 by dodadoom]


Creationism is not a theory, it's a hypothesis. There is no evidence to support creationism, that is why it cannot be proven correct or incorrect.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Aw, dont go...
thanks anyway for your post!

I would have to tend to agree with ya.
If I listened to my inner self that is.



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