10 Ways Darwin got it wrong - The Conspiracy of Evolution

"Oh I doubt I'd find much there that was anything better than what I already offered from one of the highest esteemed and well respected scientists you'll have ever read my friend. James Shapiro has more peer reviewed papers and many in 2009 than any names you would know if you didn't have the chance to google them before your next post.

What you'll find at NAS and many atheist infiltrated halls of science are discussions like this."


So...this James Shapiro? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Do you even understand what he works in?

Cutting and pasting won't do you much good though. THE premise of science is to be criticized...but do me a favor...before trying to bring down a theory...please understand it...don't just cut n' paste...e.g. read a book. Google is not your best friend kid...the library is.

Satan's work actually helping people: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
(please read the paper, it's free to download...if you need any help with medical terms I'll be happy to help)


Best,

- M







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Originally posted by Kerry_Knight

Originally posted by Pauligirl

This Chuck Missler?
en.wikipedia.org...
Really?

Why Thanks again Pauligirl! Wow you are an ANGEL!

Ooops I may have said that to an atheist? If so then replace with "Real Gem!" Thank you that would be the one.

After seeing this, I don't know why you would want anybody to look him up:
blog.newhumanist.org.uk...

As somebody noted after watching this: I kept thinking of Christopher Hitchens: "It is impossible to distinguish creationist argument from creationist parody."

I’ll leave it to the science-minded here to deal with it.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by matiascs


I rest my case.

At least my sources are peer-reviewed.




[edit on 18-11-2009 by Kerry_Knight]

Dude, READ

Publications
Books:
Shapiro, J.A. 1967. The structure of the galactose operon in Escherichia coli K-12. Doctoral dissertation, University of Cambridge.

Bukhari, A.I., J.A. Shapiro, and S.L. Adhya (eds.) 1977. DNA Insertion Elements, Plasmids and Episomes, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory.

Shapiro, J.A. (ed.) 1983. Mobile Genetic Elements, Academic Press.

Shapiro, J.A. and M. Dworkin (eds.). 1997. Bacteria as Multicellular Organisms, Oxford University Press.

Complete list of published articles:

Shapiro, J.A. 1966. The chromosomal location of the gene determining uridine diphosphoglucose formation in Escherichia coli K-12. J. Bacteriol. 92, 518.

Adhya, S. and J.A. Shapiro. 1969. The galactose operon of E. coli K-12. I. Structural and pleiotropic mutants of the operon. Genetics 62, 231-248. (Reprinted in Beckwith J and Silhavy TJ. The Power of Bacterial Genetics: A Literature-Based Course. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, 1992)

Shapiro, J.A. and S. Adhya. 1969. The galactose operon of E. coli K-12. II. A deletion analysis of operon structure and polarity. Genetics 62, 249.

Shapiro, J.A. 1969. Mutations caused by the insertion of genetic material into the galactose operon of Escherichia coli. J. Mol. Biol. 40, 93-105. (Reprinted in Beckwith J and Silhavy TJ. The Power of Bacterial Genetics: A Literature-Based Course. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, 1992)

Shapiro, J., L. MacHattie, L. Eron, G. Ihler, K. Ippen, J. Beckwith, R. Arditti, W. Reznikoff and R. MacGillivray. 1969. The isolation of pure lac operon DNA. Nature (London) 224, 768.

Ippen, K., J.A. Shapiro and J.R. Beckwith. 1971. Transposition of the lac region to the gal region of the Escherichia coli chromosome: Isolation of llac transducing bacteriophages. J. Bacteriol. 108, 5.

Shapiro, J., D. Dean and H.O. Halvorson. 1974. Low frequency specialized transduction with Bacillus subtilis bacteriophage F105. Virology62, 393-403.

Nieder, M. and J. Shapiro. 1975. Physiological function of the Pseudomonas putida PpG6 (Pseudomonas oleovorans) alkane hydroxylase: monoterminal oxidation of alkanes and fatty acids. J. Bacteriol. 122, 93-98.

Grund, A., J. Shapiro, M. Fennewald, P. Bacha, J. Leahy, K. Markbreiter, M.Nieder and M. Toepfer. 1975. Regulation of alkane oxidation in Pseudomonas putida. J. Bacteriol. 123, 546-556.

Benson, S. and J. Shapiro. 1975. Induction of alkane hydroxylase protein by unoxidized alkane in Pseudomonas putida. J. Bacteriol. 123, 759-760.

Benson, S. and J. Shapiro. 1976. Plasmid-determined alcohol dehydrogenase in alkane-utilizing strains of Pseudomonas putida. J. Bacteriol. 126, 794-798.

Shapiro, J.A., S. Benson, M. Fennewald, A. Grund and M. Nieder. 1976. Genetics of alkane utilization. In Microbiology 1976 (D. Schlessinger,ed.), American Society for Microbiology, pp. 568-571.

Shapiro, J.A. 1976. Observations on lysogeny in the glutamic acid bacteria. Appl. Environ. Microbiol. 32, 179-182.

Benedik, M., M. Fennewald and J. Shapiro. 1977. Transposition of a s -lactamase locus from RP1 in P. putida degradative plasmids. J. Bacteriol. 129, 809-814.

Shapiro, J. and P. Sporn. 1977. Tn402: A new transposable element determining trimethoprim resistance that inserts in bacteriophage l. J. Bacteriol. 129, 1632-1635.

Shapiro, J.A. 1977. DNA insertion elements and the evolution of chromosome primary structure. Trends in Biochem. Sci. 2, 622-627.

Benson, S., M. Fennewald, J. Shapiro and C. Huettner. 1977. Fractionation of inducible alkane hydroxylase activity in P. putida and characterization of hydroxylase- negative plasmid mutations. J. Bacteriol. 132, 614-621.

Fennwald, M. and J. Shapiro. 1977. Regulatory mutations of the Pseudomonas plasmid alk regulon. J. Bacteriol. 132, 622-627.

Contributions to DNA Insertion Elements, Plasmids and Episomes (1977):

J. Shapiro, A.I. Bukhari and S. Adhya. New Pathways in the evolution of chromosome structure, pp. 3-13.
J. Shapiro. Bacterial plasmids: Introduction, pp. 601-606.
A.E. Jacob, J. Shapiro, L. Yamamoto, D.I. Smith, S.N. Cohen and D. Berg. Plasmids studied in Escherichia coli and other enteric bacteria, pp. 607-638.
G.A. Jacoby and J. Shapiro. Plasmids studied in Pseudomonas aeruginosa and other Pseudomonads, pp. 639-656.
R.P. Novick, S. Cohen, L. Yamamoto and J. Shapiro. Plasmids of Staphylococcus aureus, pp. 657-662.
A.E. Jacob, J.A. Shapiro and L. Yamamoto. Plasmids of other Gram-positive bacteria, pp. 663-664.
Fennewald, M., S. Benson and J. Shapiro. 1978. Plasmid-chromosome interactions in the Pseudomonas alkane system. In Microbiology 1978 (D. Schlessinger, ed.) American Society for Microbiology, pp. 170-173.
Fennwald, M., W. Prevatt, R. Meyer and J. Shapiro. 1978. Isolation of IncP-2 plasmid DNA from Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Plasmid 1, 164-173.

MacHattie, L. and J. Shapiro. 1978. Chromosomal integration of bacteriophage lmeans of a DNA insertion element. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 75, 1490-1494.

Benson, S. and J. Shapiro. 1978. TOL is a broad host-range plasmid. J. Bacteriol. 135, 278-280.

Shapiro, J. and L. MacHattie. 1979. Integration and excision of l prophage mediated by the IS1 element. Cold Spr. Harb. Symp. Quant. Biol. 43, 1135-1142.

Meyer, R., G. Boch, and J. Shapiro. 1979. Transposition of DNA inserted into deletions of the Tn5 kanamycin resistance element. Molec. Gen. Genet. 171, 7-13.

Shapiro, J. 1979. A molecular model for the transposition and replication of bacteriophage Mu and other transposable elements. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 76, 1933-1937. (Reprinted in Beckwith J and Silhavy TJ., 1992, The Power of Bacterial Genetics: A Literature-Based Course, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, and in Miller, JH, 1996, Discovering Molecular Genetics: A case study course wiuth problems and scenarios, Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory)

Shapiro, J., M. Fennewald and S. Benson. 1979. Plasmid-determined alkane oxidation in Pseudomonas. In Genetics of Industrial Microorganisms (O. Sebek, ed.), American Society for Microbiology, pp. 147-153.

Fennewald, M. and J. Shapiro. 1979. Transposition of Tn7 in P. aeruginosa and isolation of alk::Tn7 mutations. J. Bacteriol. 136, 264-269.

Fennewald, M., S. Benson, M. Oppici and J. Shapiro. 1979. Insertion element analysis and mapping of the Pseudomonas plasmid alk regulon. J. Bacteriol. 139, 940-952.

Benson, S., M. Oppici, J. Shapiro and M. Fennewald. 1979. Regulation of membrane peptides by the Pseudomonas plasmid alk regulon. J. Bacteriol. 140, 754-762.

Shapiro, J., S. Benson and M. Fennewald. 1980. Genetics of plasmid-determined hydrocarbon oxidation. In Plasmids and Transposons: Environmental Effects and Maintenance Mechanisms (C. Stuttard and K. Rozee, eds.), Academic Press, New York, pp. 1-19.

Shapiro, J. 1980. A model for the genetic activity of transposable elements involving DNA replication. In Plasmids and Transposons: Environmental Effects and Maintenance Mechanisms (C. Stuttard and K. Rozee, eds.), Academic Press, New York, pp. 229-247.

Meyer, R. and J. Shapiro. 1980. Genetic organization of the broad host-range IncP-1 plasmid R751. J. Bacteriol. 143, 1362-1373.

Cohen, S.N. and J.A. Shapiro. 1980. Transposable genetic elements. Sci. American 242 (2), 40-49.

Krylov, V.N., V.G. Bogush and J.A. Shapiro. 1980. Pseudomonas aeruginosa phages whose DNA structure is similar to Mu1 phage DNA. I. General description, localization of endonuclease-sensitive sites in DNA, and the structure of D3112 phage homoduplexes. Genetika 16, 824-832 (in Russian).

Muster, C.J. and J.A. Shapiro. 1981. Recombination involving transposable elements: On replicon fusion. Cold. Spr. Harb. Symp. Quant. Biol. 45, 239-242.

Shapiro, J.A., A. Charbit, S. Benson, M. Caruso, R. Laux, R. Meyer and F. Banuett. 1981. Perspectives for genetic engineering of hydrocarbon oxidizing bacteria. In Trends in the Biology of Fermentations for Fuels and Chemicals (A. Hollaender et al, eds.), Plenum Press, New York, pp. 243-272.

Muster, C.J., L.A. MacHattie and J.A. Shapiro. 1981. Transposition and rearrangements in plasmid evolution. In Molecular Biology, Pathogenicity and Ecology of Bacterial Plasmids (S.B. Levy, R.C. Clowes and E.L. Koenig, eds.), Plenum Press, New York, pp. 349-358.

Meyer, R., R. Laux, G. Boch, M. Hinds, R. Bayly and J.A. Shapiro. 1982. Broad host-range IncP-4 plasmid R1162: Effects of deletions and insertions on plasmid maintenance and host range. J. Bacteriol. 152, 140-150.

Caruso, M. and J.A. Shapiro. 1982. Interactions of Tn7 and temperate phage F116L of Pseudomonas aeruginosa. Mol. Gen. Genet. 188, 292-298.

Shapiro, J.A. 1982. Changes in gene order and gene expression. Natl. Cancer Inst. Monograph 60, 87-110.

Shapiro, J.A. and B. Cordell. 1982. Eukaryotic mobile and repeated genetic elements. Biol. Cell. 43, 31-54.

Shapiro, J.A. 1982. Mobile genetic elements and reorganization of prokaryotic genomes. In Genetics of Industrial Microorganisms, 1982 (Y. Ikeda and T. Beppu, eds.), Kodansha, Tokyo, pp. 9-32

Shapiro, J.A. 1983. Variation as a genetic engineering process. In Evolution from Molecules to Men (D.S. Bendall, ed.), Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, pp. 253-270.

Muster, C.J., L.A. MacHattie and J.A. Shapiro. 1983. The plCM system: Observations on the roles of transposable elements in the formation and breakdown of plasmids derived from bacteriophage l replicons. J. Bacteriol. 153, 976-990.

Muster, C.J., J.A. Shapiro and L.A. MacHattie. 1983. Recombination involving transposable elements: The role of target molecule replication in Tn1DAp-mediated replicon fusion. Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci. U.S.A. 80, 2314-2317.

Shapiro, J.A., D.J. Owen, M. Kok, and G. Eggink. 1983. Pseudomonas hydrocarbon oxidation. In Genetic Control of Environmental Pollutants (G. Omenn and A. Hollaender, eds.), Plenum Press, New York.

Rehmat, S. and J.A. Shapiro. 1983. Insertion and replication of the Pseudomonas aeruginosa mutator phage D3112. Molec. Gen. Genet. 192, 416-423.

Hauer, B., and J.A. Shapiro. 1984. Control of Tn7 transposition. Molec. Gen. Genet. 194, 149-158.

Burck, C.J., J.A. Shapiro and B. Hauer. 1984. The plCM system: Phage immunity-specific incompatibility with IncP-1 plasmids. Mol. Gen.Genet. 194, 340-342.

Shapiro, J.A.1984a. Observations on the formation of clones containing araB-lacZ cistron fusions. Molec. Gen. Genet. 194, 79-90.

Shapiro, J.A. 1984b. Transposable elements, genome reorganization and cellular differentiation in Gram-negative bacteria. Symp. Soc. Gen. Microbiol. 36 (Part 2), 169-193.

Shapiro, J.A. 1984c. The use of Mudlac transposons as tools for vital staining to visualize clonal and non-clonal patterns of organization in bacterial growth on agar surfaces. J. Gen. Microbiol. 130, 1169-1181.

Shapiro, J.A. and P. Brinkley. 1984. Programming of DNA rearrangements involving Mu prophages. Cold Spr. Harb. Symp. Quant. Biol. 49, 313-320.

Owen, D.J., G. Eggink, B. Hauer, M. Kok, D.L. McBeth, Y.L. Yang and J.A. Shapiro. 1984.Physical structure, genetic content and expression of the alkBAC operon. Molec. Gen. Genet. 197, 373-383.

McBeth, D.L. and J.A. Shapiro. 1984. Reversal by DNA amplifications of an unusual mutation blocking alkane and alcohol utilization in Pseudomonas putida. Molec. Gen. Genet. 197, 384-391.

Shapiro, J.A. 1985a. Photographing bacterial colonies. A.S.M. News 51, 62-69. (Reprinted in Miller JH. A Short Course in Bacterial Genetics. Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, 1992).

Shapiro, J.A. 1985b. Mechanisms of DNA reorganization in bacteria. Int. Rev. Cytol. 93, 25-56.

Shapiro, J.A. 1985c. Intercellular communication and genetic change in bacteria. In Halvorson, H.O., D. Pramer & M. Rogul (eds.), Engineered Organisms in the Environment: Scientific Issues, American Society for Microbiology, pp. 63-69.

Shapiro, J.A. 1985d. Scanning electron microscope study of Pseudomonas putida colonies. J. Bacteriol. 164, 1171-1181.

Shapiro, J.A. 1986. Control of Pseudomonas putida growth on agar surfaces. In The Bacteria, vol. X (J.R. Sokatch, ed.), Academic Press, New York, pp. 27-69.

Shapiro, J.A. 1987a. Organization of Developing E. coli colonies viewed by scanning electron microscopy. J. Bacteriol. 197, 142-156.

Shapiro, J.A. 1987b. Some lessons of phage Mu. In The Bacteriophage Mu (N. Symonds, A. Toussaint, P van de Putte and M. Howe, eds.), Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, pp. 251-258.

Shapiro, J.A. 1987c. Eukaryotic transposable elements as mutagenic agents: a meeting review. Genes and Development 1, 747-749.

Shapiro, J.A. 1988a. What transposable elements do in bacteria. In Eukaryotic Transposable Elements as Mutagenic Agents, Banbury Report 30, 3-16.

Shapiro, J.A. and N.P. Higgins. 1988. Variation of -galactosidase expression from Mudlac elements during the development of E. coli colonies. Annales de l'Institut Pasteur 139, 79-103.

Shapiro, J.A. 1988b. Bacteria as multicellular organisms. Scientific American 256 (6), 82-89.

Shapiro, J.A. and N.P. Higgins. 1989. Differential activity of a transposable element in E. coli colonies. J. Bacteriol. 171, 5975-5986.

Shapiro, J.A. and C. Hsu. 1989. E. coli K-12 cell-cell interactions seen by time-lapse video. J. Bacteriol. 171, 5963-5974.

Shapiro, J.A. and D. Leach. 1990. Action of a transposable element in coding sequence fusions. Genetics 126, 293-299.

Shapiro, J.A. and D. Trubatch. 1991. Sequential events in bacterial colony morphogenesis. Physica D 49, 214-223.

Shapiro, J.A. 1991a. Multicellular behavior of bacteria. ASM News57, 247-253 (meeting report).

Shapiro, J.A. 1991b. Genomes as smart systems. Genetica 84, 3-4.

Shapiro, J.A. 1992a. Concentric rings in Escherichia coli colonies. In Oscillations and Morphogenesis, L. Rensing (ed.), Marcell Dekker, pp 297 - 310.

Shapiro, J.A. 1992b. Natural genetic engineering in evolution. Genetica86, 99-111(reprinted in J.F. McDonald (ed.), 1993, Transposable Elements and Evolution, Kluwer, Dordrecht).

Shapiro, J.A. 1992c. Kernels and colonies: The challenge of pattern. In The Dynamic Genome, N. Federoff and D. Botstein (eds), Cold Spring Harbor Press, pp. 213-221.

Shapiro, J.A. 1992d. Differential action and differential expression of E. coli DNA polymerase I during colony development. J. Bacteriol. 174, 7262-7272.

Shapiro, J.A. 1992e. Barbara McClintock, 1902-1992. BioEssays14, 791-792.

Shapiro, J.A. 1993a. A role for the Clp protease in activating Mu-mediated DNA rearrangements. J. Bacteriol. 175, 2625-2631.

Shapiro, J.A. 1993b. Natural genetic engineering of the bacterial genome. Curr. Opin. Genet. Devel. 3, 845-848.

Shapiro, J.A. 1994a. Pattern and control in bacterial colonies. Science Progress 76, 399-424.

Shapiro, J.A. 1994b. The smallest cells have important lessons to teach. In Cosmic Beginnings and Human Ends, C. Matthews, R. Varghese and D. Steele (eds), Open Court Publishing, pp. 205-224.

Maenhaut-Michel, G. & Shapiro, J.A. 1994c. The roles of starvation and selective substrates in the emergence of araB-lacZ fusion clones. EMBO J. 13, 5229-5239.

Shapiro, J.A. 1994d. Adaptive mutation. Science 265, 94 (letter).

Shapiro, J.A. 1995a. The discovery and significance of mobile genetic elements. In Mobile Genetic Elements - Frontiers in Molecular Biology, D.J. Sherratt (ed.), IRL Press, Oxford, pp. 1-17.

Shapiro, J.A. 1995b. Adaptive mutation: Who's really in the garden? Science268, 373-4.

Shapiro, J.A. 1995c. The significances of bacterial colony patterns. Bioessays17, 597-607.

Shapiro, J.A. 1995d. Adaptive mutation: The debate goes on. Science269, 286-288 (letter).

Rauprich,O., M. Matsu#a, K. Weijer, F. Siegert, S. Esipov, and J.A. Shapiro. 1996. Periodic phenomena in Proteus mirabilis swarm colony development. J. Bacteriol. 178, 6525-6538.

James A. Shapiro. 1996. "Darwin's Black Box: The Biochemical Challenge to Evolution."
(book review) National Review, Sep 16, 1996 v48 n17 p62(4)
www.spacelab.net...


Shapiro, J.A. 1997a. Multicellularity is the rule, not the exception: Lessons from E. coli colonies. In Shapiro, J.A. and Dworkin, M. (eds.). Bacteria as Multicellular Organisms, Oxford University Press, pp. 14-49.

Shapiro, J.A. 1997. A third way [alternative to Darwinism & Creationism]. Boston Review 22 (1), 32-33.
(at www-polisci.mit.edu... )

Shapiro, J.A. 1997b. Genome organization, natural genetic engineering, and adaptive mutation. Trends in Genetics 13, 98-104.

Maenhaut-Michel, G., C.E. Blake, D.R.F. Leach and J.A. Shapiro. 1997. Different structures of selected and unselected araB-lacZ fusions. Molec. Micro. 23, 1133-1146.

Esipov, S. and J.A.Shapiro. 1998. Kinetic model of Proteus mirabilis swarm colony development. J. Math. Biol. 36, 249-268.


Shapiro, J.A. 1998. Thinking about bacterial populations as multicellular organisms. Ann. Rev. Microbiol. 52, 81-104.
micro.annualreviews.org...

Shapiro, J.A. 1999. Natural genetic engineering, adaptive mutation & bacterial evolution, in Microbial Ecology and Infectious Disease, E. Rosenberg (ed.), ASM Press, Washington, pp. 259-275.

Shapiro, J.A. 1999. Genome system architecture and natural genetic engineering in evolution. In Molecular Strategies for Biological Evolution, L. Caporale, ed., Annal. NY Acad. Sci. 870, 23-35.

Shapiro, J.A. 1999. Views about evolution are evolving. ASM News 65 (4), in press (meeting report)

Lamrani. S., C. Ranquet, M.-J. Gama, H. Nakai, J.A. Shapiro, A. Toussaint and G. Maenhaut-Michel. 1999. Starvation-induced Mucts62-mediated Coding Sequence Fusion: Roles for ClpXP, Lon, RpoS and Crp. Molec. Microbiol. 32, 327-343.

Newman, D.L. and J.A. Shapiro. 1999. Differential fiu-lacZ fusion regulation linked to Escherichia coli colony development. Molec. Microbiol. 33, 18-32.

Shapiro, J.A. 1999. Transposable elements as the key to a 21st Century view of evolution. Genetica 107 (1/3):171-179. (reprinted in Georgia Genetics Review I: Transposable Elements & Genome Evolution, edited by John F. McDonald, Kluwer, 2000)

Shapiro, J.A. 2002. "Genome system architecture and natural genetic engineering." In Evolution as Computation, L.F. Landweber and E. Winfree (eds.), Springer, Berlin, pp 1-14.

Shapiro, J.A. 2002. A 21st Century View of Evolution. J. Biol. Phys. 28: 1-20. (PROCEEDINGS of the 4th International Conference on Biological Physics, Kyoto, Japan, July 30 - August 3, 2001)

Shapiro, J.A. 2002. Genome Organization and Reorganization in Evolution: Formatting for Computation and Function. In From Epigenesis to Epigenetics: The Genome in Context, L.Van Speybroack, G. Van de Vijver, and D. de Waele (eds.), Ann. NY Acad Sci 981, 111-134.


Shapiro JA and Sternberg Rv. 2005. Why repetitive DNA is essential to genome function. Biol. Revs. 80: 227-50.

Sternberg, R.v. and Shapiro, J.A. 2005. How repeated retroelements format genome function. Cytogenet. Genome Res., 110:108-116.

Shapiro, JA. 2005. A 21st Century View Of Evolution: Genome System Architecture, Repetitive DNA, And Natural Genetic Engineering. Gene 345: 91-100 (special issue on "Structural approaches to sequence evolution: Molecules, networks, populations").


Shapiro JA. 2005. Retrotransposons and regulatory suites. BioEssays 27, 122-125.


Shapiro JA. 2005. Thinking about evolution in terms of cellular computing. Natural Computing, 4, 297-324.


Shapiro JA. 2006. Genome informatics: The role of DNA in cellular computations. Biological Theory 1(3): 288-301.


Shapiro JA. 2007. Bacteria are small but not stupid: cognition, natural genetic engineering and sociobacteriology. Studies in History and Philosophy of Biological and Biomedical Sciences 38 (2007) 807–819.


Shapiro JA. 2009. Letting E. coli teach me about genome engineering, Genetics 183: 1205–1214

Shapiro JA. 2009. Mobile DNA and evolution in the 21st Century. Mobile DNA, in press


Shapiro JA. 2009. Revisiting the central dogma in the 21st Century. Ann NY Acad Sci 1178: 6-28. Paper presented at a symposium on Natural Genetic Engineering – Natural Genome Editing, July 2-6, 2008, organized by Guenther Witzany.

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Originally posted by Kerry_Knight

Oh I see, I was wrong about you, you aren't an angel, you are just playing games too. Yeah I read that hatchet job a long time ago then someone told me to listen to the mp3's myself because they know I don't like being spoon fed BS from ideological nemesis websites. I read God delusion for the same reason I listened to missler, sam harris, CS lewis. dawkins etc. Let me ask you something, do you know anyone that would say some really rotten things about you that I can talk to? anyone?

I do about me, and If I'm not mistaken, we all do. That article I took for what it is and why they are saying that stuff.

You don't think I can show you a website that has all kinds of venemous things to say about Darwin or Ken Miller ?

Ill spare you the agravation but I think you get the point.

Wow was I taken for a fool, and I really liked you too,

Congrats you punked me I guess.

Well, experience has taught me when the wolves start surrounding the discussion,. it's time to say Kerry_Knight ,,,,,

has left the building.


G/nite.

I was referring to the video that Missler made--shown on that link. That's why I wanted to make sure I had the right guy and make sure you really wanted to recommend listening to him. Did you think people wouldn't make fun of this?

reply to post by Kerry_Knight


OK, so he has publications in transposable elements...how does this disprove evolution?

Best,

- M

Personal favorite:

www.youtube.com...

There are bone structures in the the legs and feet of wild turkey that are almost indistiguishable from those of Velociraptor that lived over 100 million years ago. How could that possibly be a coincidence?

Evolution stands on much better evidence than this, so how can there be so much dispute?

ATTENTION!

This is the third time I know of that this thread has degraded into name-calling.

THAT STOPS NOW!

Keep to the topic, debate the topic, and leave the personal insults out of it.

There will be no more of these warnings. This thread will be monitored closely, violations will be assessed, and if necessary, it will be closed.

TheRedneck
ATS Forum Moderator

Originally posted by charlyv
There are bone structures in the the legs and feet of wild turkey that are almost indistiguishable from those of Velociraptor that lived over 100 million years ago. How could that possibly be a coincidence?

Evolution stands on much better evidence than this, so how can there be so much dispute?

My finger nails are made of the same keratinized protein of a Rhino's horn How could that be a coincedence? I mean whats your point? It doesn't prove velo to turkey anymore than we are related to the Rhino. Most of the dispute is between other evolutionists, Remember, their is no other paradigm allowed. When they get their story straight, let me know.

reply to post by matiascs

If you want to see intellectual evolution at work, look around you. Those who still believe in mysterious invisible Gods making it rain and looking after us after we die, are similar to stone aged man.

Those who do not, and instead ask questions, have evolved.

It is a clear difference in intellectual capacity. If God did make us surely he would have given everybody the chance to be an independent thinker.

reply to post by Kerry_Knight

No, they are NOT different. They are different FINCH'S and the differences they have or the ones we can observe are already coded in the DNA, they NEVER had to EVOLVE them! As I have said before, it is you self appointed experts called atheists, who have been frustrating the hell out of REAL scientist, as you spread very dated or debunked tired old ideas about evolution and your usual equivocations between macro-evo and micro-evo, saying your speculations and conjecture are the facts that are what the theory uses. You can not build a theory from speculation calling them facts simply because you are committing the logical fallacy of assuming the consequent.

[SNIP]

They cannot imterbreed means they are different species! Does not matter if they look the same in every other way, of course they will be very similar right after the speciation. But if they cannot interbreed, there is nothing to synchronise their changes in the future, and they will inevitably diverge. What is the probability that both isolated populations will get the exact same mutations in the eons to come? Practically ZERO.
My god, its simple logic...

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It would actually help if people did 2 things:

1. Read what Darwin wrote (the OP clearly hasn't).
2. Understand how science works.

Without the above these kind of threads are just inane drivel. The OP should start a blog or twitter which is far more appropriate. This is supposed to be conspiracy site. There is no conspiracy surrounding Darwin. He wrote what wrote and when it was published the proverbial hit the fan because of the narrow minded beliefs at the time. Sadly enough such beliefs exist to this day concentrated in Muslim countries and the US.......which I find quite ironic!

reply to post by Kerry_Knight


Morning!

So...fair enough...this dude has peer reviewed publications (mostly in transposable elements). But...I just don't see the connection of how his work undermines modern evolutionary theory. Could you please enlighten me?

Best,

- M

Question to the OP.

Of the hundreds if not more (well definitely more), how many did you study and for how long, or how many were you guided toward by you parents, before you became to believe this religion (sorry couldn't be bothered to read through 20+ pages to find out you a Christian/Catholic/Protestant/Islamic ect).

But again of ALL those religions what made you pick the one that you KNOW is correct. as some are VERY similiar (a little too silimiar for my liking, ever play telephone?) while others are vastly differant, when you get into older religions.

I would Hesistate a guess , now I'm going out on a limb here, that you believe in what your parents believe. Now out of all the Religions out there, that you could have picked from, it seems you didn't pick, but were told which to follow. Sounds a bit silly ya?

Forgive me if I'm wrong but this is about how 95% of hard-core religious freaks "choose" well" are chosen" thier religion. If you fall in that 5% My apologies.

I'll leave you with this as I do with all religious folk who go on nothing but blind faith (read there's more evidence for ET's than there is for God/Allah/Buddah/ect





[edit on 19-11-2009 by Nola213]

I think the thing everybody is missing in this argument is some people do not the intellectual capacity to comprehend evolution. I am not being rude.

Think about this...

The same people who believe you can put the idea of an Omni-potent being ( God ) in between the pages of a book ( the Bible ) , so clearly they have an inability to recognize that is an oxy-moron. Are the exact same people who can not perceive such a massive idea as Evolution. Like some people who just cant get algebra, they just cant get anything that big.

" Front cover, back cover ".
" We are created suddenly one day, and will be gone suddenly one day."

It is the same pattern of limitation that can not be a coincidence. If you talk to these people about a number of subjects including astronomy you will find "infinite" is simply not within their intellectual grasp. They want limits, walls and rules. They want a clearly defined beginning and a clearly defined end.

So you can see why evolution is such a headache.

No matter how un-PC it is, the simple fact is everybody has different intellectual capacities. That is a fact. It does not mean these people are not intelligent, they are just deficient in this one area.

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
I think the thing everybody is missing in this argument is some people do not the intellectual capacity to comprehend evolution. I am not being rude.

Think about this...

The same people who believe you can put the idea of an Omni-potent being ( God ) in between the pages of a book ( the Bible ) , so clearly they have an inability to recognize that is an oxy-moron. Are the exact same people who can not perceive such a massive idea as Evolution. Like some people who just cant get algebra, they just cant get anything that big.

" Front cover, back cover ".
" We are created suddenly one day, and will be gone suddenly one day."

It is the same pattern of limitation that can not be a coincidence. If you talk to these people about a number of subjects including astronomy you will find "infinite" is simply not within their intellectual grasp. They want limits, walls and rules. They want a clearly defined beginning and a clearly defined end.

So you can see why evolution is such a headache.

No matter how un-PC it is, the simple fact is everybody has different intellectual capacities. That is a fact. It does not mean these people are not intelligent, they are just deficient in this one area.

I agree with that logic entirely. Sometimes to uncover the absolute truth you need to break down beliefs, extend, and explore infinite possibility. Even consider the possibility that everything you know could be wrong. That's not related to intelligence, it's probably, more simply, just having an open mind and having a healthy disregard to the "I'm right, you're wrong" ego characteristic.

This is where you can unlock portals of discovery.

Universities and education can, unfortunately help create these limits, walls and rules and that can manifest in intellectual imprisonment. If you're not careful, education can help manifest this restriction to step away from the status quo and quell your ability to participate in truly independent thought. Universities are subisdized by the Government so they are operating within this boundary. If you cannot fathom this look at:

- Global Warming
- The War on Terror
- Evolution
- Theology

This is a minor selection. All of these are slipped into to Universities across the world. Every single one of these topics are questionable. That is why you will find all of these topic on ATS.

So I'm going to remain neutral here. Here's an example:

Say you've just come out of University and dedicated your life to Evolutionary Biology, you are an avid fan of Darwin and have studied and surrounded yourself with likeminded people. Does that mean this is the absolute truth?

Let's speculate that new DNA evidence puts the nail in this theory resulting in the entire theory to collapse. What would your reaction be like to this evidence?

If you could quantify this statistically, I'd imagine the reaction to this evidence would be fairly resilient as a result of human nature. It would be devestating to your ego, especially if it is something you have pursued your entire life. This would be an example of intellectual confinement and has nothing to do with intelligence.

The Government plays a large part in the flow of information, and if it wasn't for the internet I'm pretty certain intellectual confinment would increase. Hence the real purpose of any Government - to contro/guide the mind/intellect.

So kind of tying this into the thread. I'm going to propose that the theory of evolution is utter nonsense along with any theistic religion. These will be taught in Universities and played out in the media as a distraction that prohibits the ability to consider any other possibility of revolutionary truth.

And no surprise the source of this information is openly allowed by the Government. Notice how they repress certain resources of information completely and freely allocate others.