Originally posted by babloyi
I'm sorry, but "the word Allah in Muhammad's name and his ancestors name was a reference to ... The moon god" does not logically follow
from "the moon god was Muhammad's families patron deity".
Sure it does. The general consensus of most references is that allah was a generic term for god prior to Islam. Your references say as much. There is
not a credible argument that it was a monotheist deity prior to Islam. There are good arguments that do connect the word allah to the moon god. I see
no compelling reason to discard Morey's work.
But even if allah became the name of the "sky god" later it is logically incoherent. The members of the Quraish tribe would not append the name of
the "sky god" to their own. They worshiped the moon god!
Before Muhammad was even born, in the case of Muhammad’s father: Abd-Allah and Uncle: Obied-Allah, the preislamic context of the word "allah" was
representative of their tribes god who was the moon god - allah.
If you truly believe that Allah was not an individual entity in the pre-islamic pagan pantheon (in fact, the "head god" or "sky god"), separate
from from Hubal, or Sin, or Wadd or whatever, then it is apparent you haven't really studied Islam, except perhaps through the coloured opinions of
christians with a point to prove against Islam.
At least the goal posts have shifted down field, this is some improvement
So Allah is the "sky god" of pre islamic paganism. That is
much closer to the truth than the standard canard that he's the God of Abraham.
The one true God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob he clearly is not.
Hmmm, the moon is in the sky.
Or perhaps you are privy to some information that I am not? Again, if you are, I'd appreciate seeing it.
Yes I am. Jesus is Lord. Islam is an evil deception. Until you get that straight nothing else you believe much matters. Whether or not allah is the
moon god or just the sky god, just isn't all that important either. No matter what the meaning allah is - allah is a false god and faith in him is
The idea is not to embarrass Muslims, Jesus died for Musilms too, please repent. The idea here is to expose the deceptive spirit they are serving. The
evil spirit allah, allah -sky god - or whatever you like - the one that has young men strapping bombs to their bodies for him, the allah that has
planes flying into buildings, the allah that has educated men going on mass murder shooting sprees in Texas. That's the allah I am referring to.
I provided the PROOF that Allah is a separate entity from Hubal, or their moon god, EVEN TO THE QURAISH, yet you dismissed it as "Islamic
revisionism". What can I say?
What poof? This?
First off, people like associating "Allah" with "Hubal" (who was the patron deity of the Quraish tribe). The problem with this is that they cannot
possibly be the same, because Hubal and Allah are referred to separately here.
And the here
is a link to
the Hadith which is not pre Islamic. So the fact that Hubal and allah appear separately after Muhammad made up ( I mean memorized in cave) his new
religion just doesn't provide evidence for the origins of Allah. Perhaps its because the moon god Sin is now allah and Hubal was demoted.
The Reply to Morey's research is dubious anyway. Honestly I don't have the time to put into it. My experience is that Islamic sources are not
trustworthy. After all, they even deny that Jesus Christ died on the cross.
Another claim is that "Sin" is allah. Again, this seems highly unlikely, as Sin was a figure in Ancient Mesopotamian mythology (2600 to 2400 BC),
and there is no contemporary reference to "Sin" in Muhammad's time.
Seems unlikely to you, but you also failed to see that Nabonitus - the Babylonian king that promoted Sin had an outpost in Medina for 10 years.
I really want to thank you because the connection from Babylonian Sin to Median Arabia is now more solidly supported. So Thanks!
No matter how many obfuscations Islamic apologists throw up, the symbol of Islam is what.... a crescent moon. From the highly probable connection to
the Babylonian moon god Sin or Muhammad's patron moon god Hubal is of no real consequence - the worship of allah is undeniably represented by a moon.
The same moon and star used for the moon god Sin. Where the moon symbol of Islam truly originated from, be it Turkey, Ur, Babylon or a cave in Medina,
is ultimately irrelevant. If allah not a derivative of the moon gods that came before him... He just the new moon god.
After all, there is only one moon
[edit on 11/28/2009 by Bigwhammy]