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Chemtrails; a challenge in realization

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posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 05:59 AM
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Brief concept of the goal: Invent a realistic Chemtrail or aerosol dispersal of a chemical agent across a city.

The scenario; A virulent plague has just starting across the globe. Borders have shut down and people are dying. We have a limited amount of time to inoculate as many people as possible, perhaps one week. We don't have time for injections, and we can't rely on the water supply as a means of mass dispersal.

We have to aim at big cities, and try to save the largest section of humanity as possible. The minimum section we should aim for would be five square miles reaching a relative dispersal of about twenty parts per million. We're going to use antibiotic-laden aerosolized nanoparticles encapsulating silver carbene complexes. We have to reach twenty ppm quickly, and then sustain this level till the pandemic passes, possibly thirty days. We have enough nanoparticles and the ability to create more as the situation dictates.

What we need from you, is the delivery system. Fema and the military stand by to assist and implement this plan immediately.

(this thread is not an argument on whether chemtrails exist but a challenge in inventing a realistic solution to a proposed scenario. If you can't imagine this, this thread is not for you, as I'd like us to try to remain on topic and finding a solution.)




posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:36 AM
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Easy!

Use something like this to canvass the streets:

www.mistsprayers.com...

Couple that with crop dusters overhead and you'll get very good coverage.

No need to be 30,000 feet up, wind drift would would ruin any kind of coverage.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:49 AM
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reply to post by Chadwickus
 


you beat me to it.

Or of course you could calculate the wind drift of the jet stream, and spray at 30,000ft to make a really cool line in the sky and hope your calculations were correct, oh, and that the wind didn't change any. At all. None.
And put about 10,000 times more product in to allow for dispersal.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 06:56 AM
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reply to post by Chadwickus
 


That's a good start. They cover 140 feet?

How many will we need per five square mile radius? What level of operation will need to be sustained to reach and maintain twenty ppm?

There are 27,878,400 square feet in a square mile and we need to cover five. That's 640 acres per square mile.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:07 AM
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you would have to use the crop duster to fill in the gaps, but your biggest problem is to get everyone outside to breath in the medicine. Most house ac/heat units have filters that would clean most of what you sprayed out of the ambient air. You are on the right track to solve the problem you describe I think. but you need to educate the public in a hurry. And what about all the people in that town who are on ATS? Do you think they are just going to believe you and not think it's a conspiracy to control the population?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:16 AM
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That's why I discounted vaccination by injection and water supply. Are these house filters efficient enough to take nanoparticles from the air but not efficient enough to remove virus?

The other point was sustained level. I guess the paranoids could hide in their houses behind the filters and not go outside for about a month. If that worked and they lasted out the pandemic. We have to remember that not all buildings in this city will be at that level of air purification. There will be old buildings, slums, worn out apartments.

And we're jumping ahead but since you touched on it, how do you get people educated and trusting you to do this? As this is part of the plan, we'd have to cover that aspect.

Do you find a way to do this covertly? Can you rely on the public to not panic in the face of this pandemic?



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:22 AM
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I think panic would be the very first thing everyone would do. Mob mentality is very contagious. You would need some celebrity (well known) to put out propaganda commercials. Probably during Dancing with the Stars or American Idol. When you could catch the masses in a relaxed state. Or you could trick them into thinking there would be some free event with big names, and free beer. Hell for free beer, I would show up.



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 07:40 PM
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Yep, it would need to be done at a low level.

Now here's the problem with releasing it from 30'000ft



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Notice the 7th and 8th columns (or 4th and 5th colum for the bottom half)? They are the wind direction, in degrees and the wind speed in knots.

Now imagine being over a large city and releasing a chemical....now imagine it hitting a wind of 68 knots (78mph).....now is that chemical going to land on your target? Also take into consideration that the wind differs in direction too over such a large area..

Now I can guarantee that its not plausible for something sprayed that high to hit a target. It will miss or be dispersed into insignificant traces

[edit on 14/11/2009 by OzWeatherman]

[edit on 14/11/2009 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 09:50 PM
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I appreciate your response Ozweatherman. Your knowledge on this subject can help keep the scenario in the realms of likelihood, and not veering into science fiction.



Yep, it would need to be done at a low level.


What level Oz?

What we're trying to do here is develop a way to apply the idea. If it doesn't work at 30,000 tell us at what height it might or would work. At least from a scientific plausibility.

Another question you could help with specifically is your understanding of wind movement.



Also take into consideration that the wind differs in direction too over such a large area..


How do we account for this? Realizing that topography and structures will effect.

[edit on 14-11-2009 by Seiko]



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:11 PM
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Ideally it would be easiset to perform the operation at the surface, its easier to judge the prevailing winds that way.

Even more ideal would be, to change the method entirely. For example, using the town water supply. That is almost guaranteed to affect almost everyone in one way or another



posted on Nov, 14 2009 @ 10:20 PM
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In the OP I discounted the water supply. One of the reasons was the filtration systems mentioned and the other is we're trying to get people to breath this. It must reach their lungs at twenty ppm.

Yes this is hard, maybe even nigh impossible on such a wide scale. The point of this exercise is to see if we can solve it.

Chad mentioned the sprayers. He was thinking on a more land based hands on approach.

Point being they have to breath this, and it has to be sustained in the air.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 07:11 PM
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here is an idea. It would require a huge lie and misdirection. Tell all the townspeople that a terror attack with a biological agent was perpertrated in the town and most areas were affected. Corral them into a detoxification chamber and tell them this is the only way they will survive. it will be kind of the truth. Just be damn sure the spray you use will not backfire. Or you will have a fine view hanging from a pole.

I disagree with being that dishonest, but if there was no other way to save these people, it might be the only way.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by OzWeatherman
 


In the OP I discounted the water supply. One of the reasons was the filtration systems mentioned and the other is we're trying to get people to breath this. It must reach their lungs at twenty ppm.

Yes this is hard, maybe even nigh impossible on such a wide scale. The point of this exercise is to see if we can solve it.

Chad mentioned the sprayers. He was thinking on a more land based hands on approach.

Point being they have to breath this, and it has to be sustained in the air.


Frankly if you wnt to get that concentration, effectively into a persons lungs, then the only way I can see that would even be remotely plausible, is through Chads idea.

Releasing it from above, especially at anything over 1000ft, and hitting a target is unrealistic at best.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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I don't think it could be done fast enough, and people will inherently disbelieve you. Even average people would balk at this, and most likely hide. The other problem is finding buildings big enough to house and gas that many people, and to sustain them for the duration of the pandemic. I suggested a month earlier. I'm not sure this building idea is feasible, we need a way that allows people to go about their lives. It seems your abilities will be in psy ops. I think you could find a way to explain this to people if they happen to notice it or start to question. Tere was a good thread here some time back called (from memory) "why does the air smell like maple?" You could keep them guessing. The important part about this would be we are saving the city centers, and not the outlying rurals. This is where the ability to think on a mass mind scale will come in. If the plan was implemented with full disclosure they will herd to the cities. After they see that the cure isn't killing the cityfolk, of course.

On the note of whether it works, if it doesn't, we'll all be lying dead together after this colossal fail. So far only chad has come up with an idea, and his would require constant spraying and an army of vehicles going around the clock. Even with continuous operation, his idea as you said still needs fill in.

I wonder why the chemtrail people are not in here pointing out how easy it would be to do?



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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No one is saying we have to do it from any certain altitude. I'm just saying it needs to be 20 ppm, and sustained in the air.

So far chad has the best idea.

It is neat that no one has postulated a way to use planes above a simple crop duster. If people believe this is possible, how is it done? Surely someone somewhere has tried the logistics of this beyond a mere point and stare.



posted on Nov, 15 2009 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by Seiko
I wonder why the chemtrail people are not in here pointing out how easy it would be to do?



1. Because most of their entire basis for their argument is "I know what I saw"

2. Because they dont understand meteorology, or understand the upper troposphere conditions




posted on Nov, 22 2009 @ 12:26 AM
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Percholate found in breast milk

This article, and many like it are what made me wonder. At first glance on chem trails I thought them to be impossible because of the scale. It would take a lot of chemicals, and a constant spraying to do anything of magnitude.

But I saw this discussion about jet fuel in breast milk, both in humans and in cows, and it made me reconsider the chem trail idea.

If it is possible for jet fuel exhaust to enter the environment and our systems in this way, could there be any credence to other chemicals, even in trace amounts? I'm not a scientist, and in no way expert enough to judge this.

It wouldn't be on the scale of the vast chem trail conspiracy, but is it even plausible?



posted on Nov, 22 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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First off, thanks Seiko & Oz for the reasoning & logic in this subject I've often heard others tout but never thought feasible. Perhaps for these chemicals to effectively reach us by way of 30,000 ft. air drops & have any effect it takes far too much time? I think it would have to be a ground level operation for immediate results.



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:29 PM
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ITSAWILD1 SAYS ---TELL THE PEOPLE TO TURN THEIR GAS ON WHILE IN THE MEAN TIME THE CITY WILL BE PUMPING THE PPM MIXED WITH AIR INTO THE CITIES GASS LINES---SIMPLE--WHEN THE FAMES DIE ON THE RANGE--THE ANTIDOTE IS BEING DELIVERED AT THAT TIME AND EASYLY KEPT UP-



posted on Dec, 14 2009 @ 10:36 PM
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---HOWEVER I DONT WANT TO ALARM YOU---BUT---HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY HAVENT LACED THE GAS ALREADY---BUT NOT THE CURE LIKE THE FUEL OIL VIRUS THAT HIT HOMES IN THE EARLY NINTIES----




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