Radical Islam PLANS to use this method, but the reality I see before me in the States at least is that it doesn't take more than a generation before kids reject and lessen the beliefs of their parents in place of our system...

In the case of Islam, well.... it takes longer it's strict and all inclusive and it takes a bit longer than for example Russian plants who flocked to NY through the last 50 years, KGB agents joined the mob and put on designer jeans in about 3 weeks on average growing... for kids raised or those indoctrinated into Islam...a generation or so...

But in time they will laugh at their religious leaders just like we do...

Lets face it... even the guys allegedly involved in 9-11 were seen at strip clubs prior...

It's them in Europe and America that will eventually convert, we might have a bigger Islamic base, but most will in 40 years be Islamic like most of us are Christian or Jewish, namely on holidays and stuff...

I expect in most of America, Ramadan will be a week where kids get presents by the time i'm an old man, not too much to worry about.

From "Audacity of Hope",by Barack Obama...

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

That line sums up where his loyalties are.

I wouldnt worry too much about islam gaining popurality in the near future. With all our energy focused on the blame game for political enviormrntal issues etc...and no energy focusing on fixing the problems I can fairly say the humans in the near future will have bigger problems to deal with and religion will take a backstance and decline when ppl realise religion isnt helping us solve the problems

I am much more worried about the PTB myself.

Although, if I were in Britain I might feel much as you do now that I think about it. I believe there are certain similarities between what you speak of and the illegal Mexicans here in the States.

Mexicans are pretty decent tho, share a common religion and basically even ethnically a large percentage are mainly European.

Aside from the fact that Mexico is a mess and there is allot of crime, most Mexicans won't pose much of a challenege nor have they long term in regards to integration.

Mexicans who even care or even know about the silly reconquista thing are not a large portion of the population, most are really nice, the people have no stigma about marrying into our culture either...

There is no actual "Mexican" problem when you mesh the numbers it just means North America might have a bit of a light tan when it all pans out...

I'm here in AZ and yeah.... the wet backs the guys right over the border stand out, but those here for awhile very often have American spouses the kids look like anyone else, it's no different or any kind of a problem than waves of Irish or Italians turned out to be...

It's a totally different thing than Islamic immigration and potential culture clash... Mexicans mostly like us...

And I have to add, as an American you have to be kind of really racist to have major issue with lots of cute Catholic Spanish girls entering the mix...

I mean come on...even the Nazis had no problem running to Argentina and Brazil

I'm sorry embracing Mexico in the long run can only make this continent stronger and better, we have made that place a mess for along time, maybe for reason in the past, but they mainly really like us and act cool and work hard when they come here. Any crime is a result of this stupid war on drugs and the poverty we caused them by suppressing them for so long.

I also have to add... the real answer, particularly in America if you don't want to be absorbed is to have children...

You could say what radical Islam is doing...is Hostile

But if you want to absorb them not be absorbed, you fight with the same weapons, culture and children.

We have lost family values, we don't have kids... Intentional or not... It's OUR fault if it goes that way.

The numbers in Europe and America massively still favor our culture if we just have more kids....

By the way

Mexicans here do not riot and kill others that don't convert to their religion.

Just saying.

I guess it depends on what part of the Uk you live in and how well people are trying to inregrate..

I've worked with a lot of new muslim imigrants in the UK, and most want to get away from the sh*t they left behind... and it does appear to my eye to be the 2nd/3rd generation that seem to have the most problems with British society.

If it does continue at the rate it is with protest and counter protest.. while the likes of Labour make noises that they protect minorites, then I think it might get a bit hairy for a while, but that is what I think the PTB want.

Edit a bit of bad gramma

[edit on 14/11/09 by thoughtsfull]