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A Creator - Who?

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posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 03:46 AM
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Please convince me that there was no creator of anything.

How did dark matter start?

How did stars and planets start?

How did anything start?




posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:00 AM
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thats a really poor premise for a thread.

heres a question for you

why should we care about trying to convince you?

those questions are kinda really bad too.

from what i can tell dark matter is still hypothetical for the most part as none has been found. (that i know of)

no one knows how everything started. that does not lead straight to a creator.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:05 AM
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reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
 


OK.

So where did everything come from?

Also, did I ever put you down?

It is bad to speak down to people.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:06 AM
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I am pretty sure that science (specifically quantum physics) is beginning to understand that everything was created by some unknown divine force. The Creator perhaps?

And I don't mean God, that would be silly. There are so many of them today fighting over control of humanity its ridiculous.

Why would you want someone to convince you that there is no creator? What ever happened to deciding for yourself your own beliefs?



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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reply to post by spellbound
 


um...

i just said no one knows where everything came from.

i never said you put me down. i was just saying...this thread won't really go anywhere.

youre challenging people to change what are presumably some of your core beliefs and youre giving us a bad starting point. its not talking down, its being concise. all of those questions have "no one knows" or "i dont know" as answers.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:10 AM
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I am tired of people thinking they can say stuff like that to me - blah blah blah.

I don't say that stuff to you - do not say it to me.

I have a Master's degree in Logic.

And from my perspective, there IS a creator. I don't know who or what.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:12 AM
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ALLAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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wow.
way to complain about me talking down to you then you turning around and doing it ten times worse than i ever did (which i still dont think i did)


also stating your masters in logic as some basis for expertise/superiority on this subject is an argument from authority i believe. as a master of logic you know that that argument doesnt have any value.


[edit on 13-11-2009 by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest]



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:14 AM
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The only thing anybody can do to refute a creator, even though there's no point to it whatsoever, is use circular logic.

Creator>>creation>>creator>>creation>>creator

That is, if there's a creator, it must have come from somewhere, implying it is a creation, implying there's yet another creator/creation

Like a circle.

If you've ever wondered why the most universally common geometric shape is a globe or "circle" then you've probably questioned the circular nature of humanity as well.


Infinity is a difficult concept, yet a persistent one - that's why it's "infinity".



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:16 AM
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reply to post by ELECTRICkoolaidZOMBIEtest
 


No - YOU put ME down - you said the thread was crap

And then tried to correct me.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:18 AM
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all the answers of anybody on this is wrong (including this one)

just live your life and dont think too much about it.

u'll learn to know in the end



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:22 AM
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I think the most popular scientific theory is that everything started after the big bang. Right before that was the big crunch. It's probably a continues cycle that will go on and on.
Adding a human personification to creation is not logic but religion. Trying to make you believe something is pointless.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:24 AM
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reply to post by platipus
 


No-one could answer my question.

When people become angry and abusive, it means they have no answers.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:25 AM
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reply to post by spellbound
 


not just that, anybody who says something might sound nuts or out of their mind.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:28 AM
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reply to post by platipus
 


So who cares? Speak the truth.

Why does anyone care about how others judge them?



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:30 AM
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Originally posted by spellbound
reply to post by platipus
 


No-one could answer my question.

When people become angry and abusive, it means they have no answers.



hey, you figured it out.

i told you this twice already though.

i dont see anyone angry or abusive.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:44 AM
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because you are asking why, there for creates it.

I suggest you take the time to look up at the stars then think this question.

If the universe has no shape and nore does my mind then what does that make me?

one of 2 things.. the creator OR the function that CREATES?

work it out..



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:48 AM
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There is really only two possible answers (based on human reasoning):

1. The Universe is Eternal

or

2. The Universe is not eternal, however something eternal preceded the Universe.

Something comes from something.

Something cannot come from nothing.

We know something exists, therefore something always existed. Since at no point could there have been nothing (something cannot come from nothing).

In other words, when you dig deep into the argument, it always includes some component being eternal.

The answer is not hiding in my opinion, it's just too hard for us to hold it nice and tight with our minds so we pass on the eternal and keep asking questions.

Asking questions are good but so is experiencing an answer.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:51 AM
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No one knows, hence the ongoing debate.

No one truly knows where any of this came from with 100% certainty but science offers us the closest to the truth that we have come. It really is a mystery, existence, consciousness, this vast cosmos.

A Creator has not been observed or detected and in science that's really all we have, observation and detection. We can see far distant galaxies, black holes, and we can detect the gravitational effect of what has been called "Dark Matter" but no such luck with a Creator yet.



posted on Nov, 13 2009 @ 04:52 AM
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Thank you to those people who really pissed me off.

That would be all of the people who replied and took their time to talk down to me.



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