Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Originally posted by CRB86
I'm still thoroughly interested in finding out how football hooliganism fits into the thesis, though.
Here in the States people of my thinking criticize "Americans" daily. The people who fit all the stereotypes inherent in this thread.
And they are REAL. They're EVERYWHERE, EVERDAY.
And a key identifier of rather striking accuracy is the types who obsess over sports much like the rest of what's on TV. But sports go much further.
You've got dripping tribalism amongst other notable concepts such as irrational bowing to authority figures.
But perhaps most concerning of all, in my view, would be squander. There are MILLIONS of people in 'the west' who know more about sports than they
know about themselves. A major percentage of the society here not only obsesses over pro-"Football" but also college football which has something
like 100 teams. They know the stats, the players, an elaborate historical timeline view of the sports, teams, players, stats and the rest of it. They
watch Sportscenter instead of the news. I had these roomates once they'd sit late at night and watch SC once, and then again the replay of the same
show showing the same clips.
But if you try to talk to them about much of ANYTHING that is actually important in the world you'll get laughed off the stage.
So sports is an important benchmark in measuring the brainwashing of any society. Therefore, the idea of having regular riots over such tribalistic
irrelevent nonsense is striking to say the least. So when you factor in the concept of unwittingly serving as a tool to train the police to put down
uprisings along with providing justification to have such overblown police forces I'd say this key point is a slam dunk.
Have you ever read any of the work of Antionio Gramsci? In particular his theory of Cultural Hegemony?
Gramsci wondered why the "inevitable" social revolution as predicted by Karl Marx hadn't happened yet. He postulated, like you are doing, that
people are kept 'busy' or pre-occupied by other factors, such as sport, movies, religion etc. which all reinforce the dominant cultural values of
the ruling elite.
This is an interesting theory, however, when it comes to sport, i disagree. As an avid football (soccer) fan myself, living in a post-modern era, i
see no difference between high-brow and low-brow culture. In other words, if something is good, it's good. This can apply to a shakespeare play, a
piece of classical music, a 30-second punk rock song, or even a sublime goal. It all serves to heighten and improve my own existence, by allowing me a
way to contemporise and beautify the world.
Therefore, it is my assertion that a keen interest in sport is not by default, a negative thing that detracts from one's own spiritual journey of
awakening. Rather, football serves as a way of instilling notions of beauty, personal responsibility, teamwork, drama, excitement, emotional maturity,
success, failure and brotherhood into a life that would otherwise be depleted of such. Being a fan of sport can help with the emotional development
aswell as character development. It can serve as a way of contextualising the world around you. Far from being "irrelevent nonsense", it is actually
one of the most relevent forms of personal recreation there is. You can't spend your whole life on ATS waiting for a SHTF scenario that's never
going to come. Enjoy life. See the beauty. Feel the highs and lows. For, in the words of the poem, what good is this life, if full of care, we have no
time to stop and stare?
And so that's why i think sport is not a benchmark for how brainwashed a society is. Rather that is serves a very important function within a
As for hooliganism. Whilst you're correct in your assertion that it is tribal, i can't agree that it is a by-product of brainwashing. Rather, it is
lawlessness or anarchy in its purest form. Firms are formed from personal alliance. Surely TPTB don't want people forming bonds outside work. This is
how revolutions get started! If hooliganism was a result of brainwashing, why have successive governments in britain been so very against it? Why did
Thatcher try her damndest to wipe it out? Because these groups are not acting in a state sanctioned way. It is not productive to a capitalist society
to have large swathes of your working population kicking f**k out of each other, aswell as private property, every weekend. The cost of policing a
football match is astronomical.
I can see how, from several thousand miles away, over youtube videos, you might come to your conculsion. However the reality of the situation is very
different. There are myriad social, economical, historical and political reasons for violence in football. To say it is a simple result of brainwashed
hordes is reductionist and dishonest.
For the record, i abhor football violence.