Europeans more brainwashed than 'Americans'??, page 1
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Topic started on 13-11-2009 @ 02:01 AM by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I'm aghast daily at the level of brainwashing of the US public, yet I'm astonished when I think about Europeans. From the wide scale banning of guns, to football hooligan riots, to EU dictatorial subservience, to the UK surveillance panopticon, its mindblowing.

In the UK I read they even banned the carry of pocket knives, and I recall about a decade ago watching the NRA videos of the dump yards of all the guns banned in Europe and Austrailia. I met some people from France and they said that in much of the EU guns are forbidden. Even family heirloom non-firing collectors guns were mandatory turn-ins in the one video I watched.

Then you have the hooligans. You think US "Football" fans are bad, go on youtube and punch in 'hooligan' and watch that madness. I've seen one video from up high in a building looking down over literally hundreds of hooligans fighting in battle formations. What's even worse than them displaying such passion for such nonsense is the fact that they've been giving perpetual riot supression practice to their authorities for decades.


You could argue that US people are more 'brainwashed' (indoctrinated actually) as they're too lazy to fight each other, yet I don't too often hear about mass anti-EU riots. The EU is literally an unelected bureuocracy that supercedes their elected governments, which has adopted a centralized privately owned inflationary central bank and currency modeled after the "Federal Reserve" tyrannical wealth plundering regime.

Meanwhile in the UK, they have literally millions of cameras and other Orweillian surveillance technologies tracking their every move. This is going on even here in the US, but in general its being incremented slowly, whereas comparing the growth it all came overnight in the UK and the masses just ignore it.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 02:11 AM by silent thunder
Europeans are urged to hate and ridicule Americans by their press, which is tightly controlled by the Eurocracy. The Eurocrats can't STAND the idea of pure capitalism because it means the end of their cushy desk jobs, long vacations, and fat pensions. So for several decades they have been urging their citizenry to ridicule and hate America so that any chance of "creeping capitalism" will be cut off at the roots. Meanwhile Western Europe hypocritically cowers under the US nuclear security blanket, not realizing the enormous costs a true break with the US would bring.

Don't get me wrong...US-style hypercapitalism has plenty of problems of its own...but that's another topic all together (and one addressed on zillions of threads across the internet). I'm not pumping US capitalism as currently construed...I think its a skewed, diseased system that benefits Wall Street and cripples Mainstreet, and it has led to the hollowing-out of industry and perpetual war. BUT, this is not why it is so roundly criticized by Europeans. The reason behind European Anti-Americanism is as stated in my first paragraph.

The truth is that Europeans, by and large, think what their press tells them to (with a number of notable exceptions). And the press is tightly controlled by the government bureaucracy, which has its own interests at heart. They have gone so far overboard at this point that what we are witnessing is the total caving in of their system...bloated entitlements, rampant political correctness, etc. I'm not saying the US is in great shakes either, mind you...but again, that's another topic, and one well addressed in countless other threads on ATS and elsewhere.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 02:22 AM by honkatonkman




reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 05:21 AM by Dermo
reply to post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss



FFS!!!!!!!!!.. Everytime I find a thread I think I might enjoy there's some small minded OP generalizing like crazy. Sorry OP but this is so stupid.

You are saying 'Europeans' but you are talking about the UK. The EU has 500 million.. the UK has 60 million of that.. How is the UK "Europe".

I live in Ireland and like most other EU countries, you can get guns for hunting.. just not for shooting people. Get that into your head!!!!!! WE CAN GET GUNS.. JUST NOT FOR SHOOTING PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN

They banned the carrying of pocket knives in the UK because something like 30-35% of 13-15 year olds in London had used them to attack someone. How can you NOT justify a ban like that. You don't understand the complexities of that issue and how dangerous the UK has become in area's.. It is the worlds second most densely populated country after all.. and the British blood has always had a large amount of violence in it. Just because you think the accent is posh, don't be fooled to think they are pussies.

How do fights after football games by a tiny minority (20 vs 20) of scumbags qualify as wide scale EU wide brainwashing??? That is a ridiculous statement.. PUNCH YOURSELF IN THE FACE FOR THAT ONE PLEASE

To the second poster.. our press 99.9% of the time praises or is non bias towards the US.. its only that .1% of the time that when they criticize, the Yanks pick up on it and start generalizing and complaining like you are doing! There is very very little 'Anti US' reporting in our media since Bush left.. How hard is it to understand that when ye had little Hitler in power that we disliked what he was doing and as an extension, the rest of the US.. This is simple to understand, even a child would get this easily!

If you want to know about EU wide brainwashing.. read this. I have a pretty non bias mind and can see this happening pretty clearly.. and it is conditioning. The fact is though, Im going to tell you this and at some stage you are probably going to try and insult me with it at some stage in the future.

The EU spends 2.2 billion a year on pro EU propaganda INSIDE THE EU.. Thats more than Coca Cola spends a year on their ENTIRE GLOBAL MARKETING CAMPAIGN! Thats a campaign of 12 times the intensity of Coca Cola's.. How many times a day to you see or hear a coca cola ad?

And the EU conditioning is very subtle.. "Europe is here for you" - with a picture of a smiling child and a blue sky in the background etc. Little EU flags everywhere we look.. basically trying to break down our Nationalism and turn us into "Europeans". AND ITS WORKING ACROSS THE ENTIRE CONTINENT!!!!

Thats how we are brainwashed.. but your OP was absolute bull# and nonsense in my opinion.

Generalization is the outlet of the feeble minded.. or so the saying goes


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 05:24 AM by JFletcher
Hope this won't go in This direction.

Now talking about brainwash. I think that we Europeans as well as Americans get brainwashed in equal parts or the same manner.
Fear and anger is all around us and the only thing that is different is the way we would react.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 05:28 AM by Silcone Synapse
OP by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
You could argue that US people are more 'brainwashed' (indoctrinated actually) as they're too lazy to fight each other, yet I don't too often hear about mass anti-EU riots.


www.independent.co.uk...

serbianna.com...

www.democraticunderground.com...

www.reuters.com...

www.mail-archive.com...@lists.econ.utah.edu/msg02414.html

euobserver.com...

worldwideriots.blogspot.com...

globalpolicy.org...

www.euronews.net...

abcnews.go.com...

eupolitics.einnews.com...

news.bbc.co.uk...

There have been quite a few big riots over the whole EU debacle.
Most are not heavily covered by the MSM(as you would imagine),but a lot of riots have occured.
They just tend to drop out of the news quickly,if they are covered at all...which should tell us something about the corporate media of Europe(reminds me of the USA MSM,all bought and paid for by TPTB).

But we do riot in Europe,I can assure you of that.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 06:31 AM by Chevalerous
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss

"From the wide scale banning of guns, to football hooligan riots, to EU dictatorial subservience, to the UK surveillance panopticon, its mindblowing."

I met some people from France and they said that in much of the EU guns are forbidden. Even family heirloom non-firing collectors guns were mandatory turn-ins in the one video I watched.



WOW! here we go again! I'm often asking myself WHY our American friends are soo indoctrinated and brainwashed into believing and think that "Guns" are banned & totally forbidden in Europe. Who is telling you all this rubbish and propaganda?

Well You must have met some people who really didn't know what they were talking about or didn't had the correct information then.

"Guns" are not banned or forbidden here, but pistols and revolvers requires licences which can be hard to get if this is your first licence! and if you want a pistol as your FIRST GUN!

The modus operandi is that people usually FIRST get their first licence for hunting rifles and shotguns which they can get more easily - after that if you behave and have a clean record, it's often not a problem to get an additional licence for a handgun or additional licences for other/additional powerful rifles as well! - but you'll need to keep all weapons safe and protected in a Security Gun Cabinet at home.

Of course we can't be compared with the USA regarding gun laws, and we don't have the nice free and liberal gun laws as you have - but to say that "guns" are totally forbidden here is not entirly correct!

Regulated and require licences, yes! - forbidden, NO!

Free unlicenced guns are not allowed, that disappeared long time ago!

But licenced guns are allowed! SO FAR!

Well! as in the USA there are "talks" here in many countries to implement even stricter gun laws, but all the hunters and hobby-shooters are strongly against it - heck! even many of our politicians and Kings are vivid gun collectors and hunters.


Even family heirloom non-firing collectors guns were mandatory turn-ins in the one video I watched.


What a heck! which country was this?

Our family's heirloom rifles and pistols are legally hanging on my father's and uncle's walls - they don't even require licences now because they are soo old!


Well I just wrote about exactly the same regarding all this European gun crap talk in two posts in a thread here, please read!:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


I now strongly suspect that your "Gun Lobby" is scaring your people with exaggerated propaganda and are using exaggerated examples from Europe, that is taken out of context or/and maybe even manipulated and spun in some way to drive their "Gun Lobby" agenda in politics for the people?


[edit on 13-11-2009 by Chevalerous]


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 07:12 AM by Foppezao
Originally posted by IgnoranceIsntBlisss
I'm aghast daily at the level of brainwashing of the US public, yet I'm astonished when I think about Europeans. From the wide scale banning of guns, to football hooligan riots, to EU dictatorial subservience, to the UK surveillance panopticon, its mindblowing.

In the UK I read they even banned the carry of pocket knives, and I recall about a decade ago watching the NRA videos of the dump yards of all the guns banned in Europe and Austrailia. I met some people from France and they said that in much of the EU guns are forbidden. Even family heirloom non-firing collectors guns were mandatory turn-ins in the one video I watched.

Then you have the hooligans. You think US "Football" fans are bad, go on youtube and punch in 'hooligan' and watch that madness. I've seen one video from up high in a building looking down over literally hundreds of hooligans fighting in battle formations. What's even worse than them displaying such passion for such nonsense is the fact that they've been giving perpetual riot supression practice to their authorities for decades.


You could argue that US people are more 'brainwashed' (indoctrinated actually) as they're too lazy to fight each other, yet I don't too often hear about mass anti-EU riots. The EU is literally an unelected bureuocracy that supercedes their elected governments, which has adopted a centralized privately owned inflationary central bank and currency modeled after the "Federal Reserve" tyrannical wealth plundering regime.

Meanwhile in the UK, they have literally millions of cameras and other Orweillian surveillance technologies tracking their every move. This is going on even here in the US, but in general its being incremented slowly, whereas comparing the growth it all came overnight in the UK and the masses just ignore it.


I must admitt that i admire the way American supporters are mixed together during sport matches and dont have these hooligan type of things. Although in most countries this is something from the 80's/90's. The Uk has pretty much banned hooligans from the stadiums.In Germany they also tend to blend together. I think the worst kind is in Croatia, Serbia and Turkey[not EU members]..Besides i dont really feel threatend in my country, but if needed i will dial 112. We dont need guns.I think most of the cctv's in the UK are a legacy from the NRA.Besides lots of crimes are solved because of these camera's..Every country has different media, not all countries has the monopolies such in Italy and range from right to left..
So that being said what does all this have to do with brainwashing the people?


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 07:37 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


reply to
post by IgnoranceIsntBlisss



I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again.

Its the kind of crassly arrogant assumptions, and complete failure to understand that other parts of the world are not the USA, shown in threads like this, that ultimately lead people to fly jet airliners into buildings.

The USA is in the world. The world is not the USA. Different people do different things. They have their own customs, laws and lives.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



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