The Colossal Oil Fraud You Probably Don't Know About., page 1
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Topic started on 12-11-2009 @ 11:36 PM by loam




The Global Oil Scam

$2.5 Trillion – That’s the size of the global oil scam.

It’s a number so large that, to put it in perspective, we will now begin measuring the damage done to the global economy in “Madoff Units” ($50Bn rip-offs). That’s right – $2.5Tn is 50 TIMES the amount of money that Bernie Madoff scammed from investors in his lifetime, yet it is also LESS than the MONTHLY EXCESS price the global population is being manipulated into paying for a barrel of oil.

Goldman Sachs (GS), Morgan Stanley (MS), BP (BP), Total (TOT), Shell (RDS.A), Deutsche Bank (DB) and Societe Generale (SCGLY.PK) founded the Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) in 2000. ICE is an online commodities and futures marketplace. It is outside the US and operates free from the constraints of US laws. The exchange was set up to facilitate “dark pool” trading in the commodities markets. Billions of dollars are being placed on oil futures contracts at the ICE and the beauty of this scam is that they NEVER take delivery, per se. They just ratchet up the price with leveraged speculation using your TARP money. This year alone they ratcheted up the global cost of oil from $40 to $80 per barrel.

A Congressional investigation into energy trading in 2003 discovered that ICE was being used to facilitate “round-trip” trades. ” Round-trip” trades occur when one firm sells energy to another and then the second firm simultaneously sells the same amount of energy back to the first company at exactly the same price. No commodity ever changes hands. But when done on an exchange, these transactions send a price signal to the market and they artificially boost revenue for the company. This is nothing more than a massive fraud, pure and simple.

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Amazing.

The lawlessness is on such a grand scale it's almost pointless to try and stop it.



Look at this interesting ATS thread from over a year ago:

‘Perhaps 60% of Today’s Oil Price is Pure Speculation’

It's source article stated at the time:



...how today’s oil prices are really determined is done by a process so opaque only a handful of major oil trading banks such as Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley have any idea who is buying and who selling oil futures or derivative contracts that set physical oil prices in this strange new world of “paper oil.”

With the development of unregulated international derivatives trading in oil futures over the past decade or more, the way has opened for the present speculative bubble in oil prices.

...

In the most recent sustained run-up in energy prices, large financial institutions, hedge funds, pension funds, and other investors have been pouring billions of dollars into the energy commodities markets to try to take advantage of price changes or hedge against them. Most of this additional investment has not come from producers or consumers of these commodities, but from speculators seeking to take advantage of these price changes. The CFTC defines a speculator as a person who “does not produce or use the commodity, but risks his or her own capital trading futures in that commodity in hopes of making a profit on price changes.”

The large purchases of crude oil futures contracts by speculators have, in effect, created an additional demand for oil, driving up the price of oil for future delivery in the same manner that additional demand for contracts for the delivery of a physical barrel today drives up the price for oil on the spot market. As far as the market is concerned, the demand for a barrel of oil that results from the purchase of a futures contract by a speculator is just as real as the demand for a barrel that results from the purchase of a futures contract by a refiner or other user of petroleum.



So not only were the players neither producers nor consumers, they really weren't buyers or sellers either. The lion's share of the entire market was nothing but a sham!

Now you know how it really was done.







[edit on 13-11-2009 by loam]


reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 11:48 PM by loam
reply to post by Seiko



No. This is NOT how it is supposed to work.

This is outright FRAUD. There is nothing obscure leading to that interpretation.


[edit on 13-11-2009 by loam]



reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 11:58 PM by Seiko
reply to post by loam



I agree it's fraud, but......

Maybe I'm cynical, or I just don't understand economics very well...

Isn't this how they've been working for quite some time? What makes this different from the way other economic manipulations work?


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 12:48 AM by RDR17
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reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 01:53 AM by Keymaster1
reply to post by loam



I just heard about this scam on a radio show called Phil's Gang, he explains how the stock markets/ commodity markets work.

I'm NOT trying to push this show, but just saying he doesn't do this stuff for money, he does it to raise money for St. Judes Hospital for Kids and to try to make people wake up and realize what the stock market really is for, and it aint to make money for you!

And, what happened to DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW garbage the Repube-licans were screaming about a year ago?!?

ARRRRRRGGGHHH!!!


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 04:05 AM by svpwizard
reply to post by ANNED



I sit here scratching my head thinking WTF is going on here....... we people are so COMPLETELY screwed over by governments of all countries it may seem that the only thing to do at this point is to get off the grid and live off the land, Ohhhh wait we aren't allowed to do that either....

Yep we are in fact 100% completely HOSED folks...... its all a big game and we are the game pieces.

so whats the answer? frankly there is none, point of no return was passed many years ago. so we are just passengers on the train wreck folks..... no stopping it now.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 07:30 AM by loam
reply to post by Jazzyguy



I don't know why you blame Capitalism? The problem isn't a market ideology. The problem is CRIMINALITY. That can be had in any system.

Case and point.

I will say, however, we are supposed to better at policing against such things. <--Now there, obviously, is the faulty assumption.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 11:15 AM by charlie0
reply to post by loam



It is the job of the Government to protect the consumers from Fraud. Our Government is good at it. It is not that we don't have the laws. Politicians not looking the other way, they also protect them. I remember Senior Bush as president allowed Chevron to buy out Amoco. Ever since the Gas from
33 cents a gallon gone up above 1 dollar and is going up and up. Don't forget 80% of World Oil production is in control of Amertican Oil Cartel. It is not enough they want the oil of Iraq, Iran, Kazikistan etc. despite the fact that they are sitting on vast reserves here at home.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 12:29 PM by AllexxisF1
Very easy way to fix this problem.




Green technology is the answer.


Otherwise you better get used to a commercial bank like Goldman Sachs buying whole oil liners and keeping them parked out at sea for months at a time to manipulate market prices. Yea that what they did last year.

There used to be a law that prevented banks from buying commodities.


reply posted on 13-11-2009 @ 01:21 PM by rickyrrr
Originally posted by Seiko
reply to
post by loam



I agree it's fraud, but......

Maybe I'm cynical, or I just don't understand economics very well...

Isn't this how they've been working for quite some time? What makes this different from the way other economic manipulations work?


Other economic manipulations are almost entirely driven by supply and demand. Oil is not quite so.

-rrr
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