Why is this in the survival forum?

Islamophobia invades the survival forum eh?

Surviving Islam?

I discovered my survival instinct several weeks back... Just before bleeding to death I wanted to sleep, pass out, but I was too thirsty... That thirst saved me.

Rest assured, that when America falls it will not be Islam that brought her down.


Your enemies are within your ranks.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Why is this in the survival forum?

Islamophobia invades the survival forum eh?

Surviving Islam?

I discovered my survival instinct several weeks back... Just before bleeding to death I wanted to sleep, pass out, but I was too thirsty... That thirst saved me.

Rest assured, that when America falls it will not be Islam that brought her down.


Your enemies are within your ranks.

I have no problem with Islam , I have a problem with Muslim extremists who yell "Allahu Akbar" and kill unarmed soldiers in my country while performing Jihad. Don't get wrapped up in emotion , look at the facts... it is what it is. My argument is that the soldiers should have been armed. Most of you have turned this into Islam Vs Team America.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut


I have no problem with Islam , I have a problem with Muslim extremists who yell "Allahu Akbar" and kill unarmed soldiers in my country while performing Jihad. Don't get wrapped up in emotion , look at the facts... it is what it is. My argument is that the soldiers should have been armed. Most of you have turned this into Islam Vs Team America.

Your user-name is nearly as convincing as your post.

The problem you don't have is that you have taken the media portrayal of this event... Hook line and sinker!

Allahu Akbar!

Look at the facts indeed... with your eyes wide shut!

Originally posted by Stanton Dowd
To the OP...

You seem to have forgotten the fact that the US is involved and is indeed the main instigator of the invasion of other peoples countries.

Under the 'guise of the "war on terror" the US is the single most agressive nation on the planet - blindly advancing the power of capitalism by the only means they know - war.

Maybe this is what sparked the lunatic off that did the massacre.

Maybe the "little men" are getting p*ssed off with the situation.

It is ok after all for the US to go into other people's countries and slaughter man woman and child?

Slaughter innocent people?

I think that all nations on the earth should remember that if you want peace you don't go to war.

And if you're going to start a fight you've got to expect to get punched.

TPTB could stop war if they wanted and don't kid yourself of anything else - anything else is excuses.

Peace.



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[edit on 13-11-2009 by Stanton Dowd]

What does that have to do with allowing soldiers to be armed per the 2nd amendment?

1st off I'm prior military , 2nd this thread has nothing to do with political views , pro bush pro obama ,left vs right, conservative vs liberal 2 party bs. War on terror , bay of pigs , Vietnam... the military industrial complex or foreign policy. no I don't think it's ok to kill innocent civilians and impose our will on other countries rape ,kill ,pillage and burn their villages down while eating their babies. I'm not a "Nuke em all and let God sort em out" guy. What bothers me is the fact that. It's about what happened and how it can be prevented in the future. Personally If you put any armed person in a target rich environment of unarmed individuals , you will have mass casualties. Repeat the same scenario but allow those individuals to be armed. I promise you you will have less casualties. Thus increasing SURVIVABILITY.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut

The last responsibility in a long chain of culpability is Hasan himself. The spear point of a Fifth Column alive, and well, and thriving in America. Allowed to thrive because of an ever-present fear by Americans of being called a racist, or intolerant. A terror shared even more intensely by every poor brow-beaten government worker in fear of their career.

Indeed...I think it's time we knew who the enemy was and locked them up, for their own good as well as ours. Just herd up anyone who professes to be Muslim...and anybody that looks like them, just to be sure.

It won't happen overnight, so why don't we make them wear green stars on their clothing, so they don't go sneaking around on us. Make sure they register with the police so that we can keep track of them. And if they continue to give us a hard time...well, there are solutions.

How about that for a novel concept to ensure the public safety from the enemy within...the fifth column?

Oh, wait...it's been tried before.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish


Your user-name is nearly as convincing as your post.

The problem you don't have is that you have taken the media portrayal of this event... Hook line and sinker!

Allahu Akbar!

Look at the facts indeed... with your eyes wide shut!

No I look at the Facts.... There's no conspiracy. Violence happens.

The facts are He IS Muslim
He DID Yell "Allahu Akbar" before he started shooting American Soldiers.

Unsubstantiated reports are that he had ties to Anwar al-Awlaki. Visited the same Mosque as the 9/11 suspects.

"A post on the website scribd.com credited to a writer named NidalHasan compares suicide bombers to soldiers who jump on grenades in order to save the lives of fellow officers. NidalHasan claims that both are sacrificing their lives for a noble cause."

I suppose He's just some random guy or Manchurian candidate that just happened to be Muslim and randomly yelled a phrase that is commonly used before performing Jihad. The difference between me and you is I look at both sides of the story , I look at the facts and I weigh them and my decision is based on FACTS not rhetoric. You can be use snark and emoticons but what I've yet to see from you are facts to support your view. What do you think happened? I would like your FACT based opinion on this matter.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
Thanks for adding sarcasm yet little of substance to the debate.

It wasn't me that cited the shooter as 'the spearpoint of a 5th column in America'. That implies organization. It seems apparent that he was a lone nut...they do happen, eh? That kind of fear mongering gets the mob riled up, and innocents die that way too.

Simply holding up a mirror.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
First off, Islam killed the victims at Ft. Hood. Islam is a cult of death and violence.

1/5 of the world's entire population is Muslim.

It has extremists, but trying to say 1/5 of the world's population is hell-bent on death and violence, simply because they are Muslim, is outright racist. And this isn't "pulling the race card," it's calling a spade a spade, outright.


The whole purpose of this thread is to apparently enrage people against Muslims worldwide for a single event carried out by a single extremist, in the face of over a billion people across the planet who practice this same religion peacefully.

Actually It was more along the lines of allowing troops to be armed on base to protect themselves per their 2nd ammendment rights so that this wouldn't happen in the future. (Thus why it was posted in survival) But It seems like you all are hell bent on turning this into Christians Vs Muslims thread.

To say that this man wasn't influenced by his religeon is assenine. Muslim is not a race btw so I don't know how it would be racist?.... This IS in their holy book though.

The Qur'an:


Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the overall context of these verses is defensive war, however, there are two worrisome pieces to this passage. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution." The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah."

Sura (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Sura (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

That sounds really peaceful to me...