The ONLY kind of hate allowed on ATS

reply to post by Annee


i've had all of the above. christians have attacked me, muslims have attacked me, atheists and agnostics have attacked me, jewish people have attacked me, neo nazis have attacked me, pagans have attacked me, wiccans have attacked me, satanists have attacked me, mormons and jehovah witnesses have attacked me, even buddhists and hindus have attacked me. it's nothing new! it's what we call being alive and having an opinion! i realize it's not easy coming to grips with the fact others experiences do not necessarily mimic your own but that's the way life is. your brain is not my brain and vice-versa (be thankful as my brain sustained a coma injury and i'm not working on all four barrels...the elevator doesn't go to the top floor.. i'm a few cans short of a six pack!). but be thqt as it may, not everyone has the same opinion, not even within the same group.

them're the facts.

(example: i think the bible is a piece of hard core science fact, mixed with genealogies, prophecies, tribal customs and time manipulation. i think the pre black flood era was advanced, scientifically. i believe there was a race of reptilians on the planet before humans and that humans were imported here, from another planet, as slave labor. so you can see how my view is not the same as say someone else's view, of the bible. and that obviously removes me from the stereotype that is such a popular tool to use these days, when attacking a group you disagree with. before you can relieve yourself of what you perceive to be a problem, you first have to redefine it so that it has no more value to you. typically, this is called dehumanization, when the subjects are your fellow human beings. am i missing some point of yours? )

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by Annee

 

i've had all of the above. christians have attacked me, muslims have attacked me, atheists and agnostics have attacked me, jewish people have attacked me, neo nazis have attacked me, pagans have attacked me, wiccans have attacked me, satanists have attacked me, mormons and jehovah witnesses have attacked me, even buddhists and hindus have attacked me.

This begs the question..

What are you doing to be so universally reviled to the point of attack?

reply to post by HankMcCoy


having an unique opinion that doesn't fit any particular category. basically being as true to myself as i know how to be, mostly as a result of research and accumulated life experience. not always fitting in with the status quo can do that to a person. if you don't fit the box someone else has created for your label, they get irritated.

"what's with all the different christian religions? they need to have one standard belief and stick to it!"

good grief, no. we don't need to have that. what we need to have is a personal relationship with god, and not particularly a relationship with god that can be overseen and dictated by other human beings. that's where the belief becomes so dangerous. and not just religious belief either. group think/mob mentality, can be a real ugly bugger.

people that call for that kind of centralized belief are:

1) hoping to find an easy way to label and stigmatize you (dehumanize)
or
2) wanting to control your every thought so even the voice of god is drowned out, complete tyranny of the body and mind of the individual
or
3) fear of the unknown/unusual/unique, which'll get you in more hot water than anything else on the planet and you should know this by now!

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

having an unique opinion that doesn't fit any particular category. basically being as true to myself as i know how to be, mostly as a result of research and accumulated life experience. not always fitting in with the status quo can do that to a person. if you don't fit the box someone else has created for your label, they get irritated.

Every person has a unique opinion, as every person is unique with their own experiences. If you find yourself constantly attacked, it might not be the beliefs that are causing your problems, but the way in which you express them.

Something to think about.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


well have you read my posts, so you can make that suggestion a real answer?
or are you just assuming that's a possible answer because the time it would take to develop a real solution wouldn't be worth the effort? if it's an assumption, perhaps it isn't based on reality at all, in which case you've just further stigmatized and dehumanized me. and that, based on a realistic response i gave to another human being who claimed he/she was being attacked. if it's just a snap judgment but not worth the effort, then may i suggest you refrain from such advice till you know for certain? if not, and you know me personally, could you perhaps provide a real solution instead of humming and hawing around the bush about it?

i mean, if you think I'M THE PROBLEM, then advice would be welcomed. but if the bulk of your advice is to search for some phantom problem in my responses to others that would cause them to disagree with me on the many hundreds of subjects on ATS............ ....... then perhaps we all need to log off and not have opinions at all.

Speaking of hate.

I hate evil, so sue me. I hate lies, deception, lets face it, that is the number one skill of most politicians/lawyers, so I suppose those that practice it to hurt the innocent I hate, I hate certain tv shows, movies, music, who cares...

But I like illusionists.

I heard once... that HATE is not the exact opposite of LOVE....
supposedly, hate is a passionate feeling, closer to love than the exact opposite of love, which is feeling nothing, so if you hate someone, your closer to loving them compared to not feeling anything for them.

'Love me or hate me it's still an obsession', yeah I hate to have to quote that...

So, perhaps I don't hate politicians and lawyers, maybe I just feel sorry for the idiots that surround themselves with the art of the lie.

reply to post by Razimus


define the "idiots" in clearer terminology so small minds such as mine, can follow your thoughts on the subject.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

well have you read my posts, so you can make that suggestion a real answer?
or are you just assuming that's a possible answer because the time it would take to develop a real solution wouldn't be worth the effort? if it's an assumption, perhaps it isn't based on reality at all, in which case you've just further stigmatized and dehumanized me. and that, based on a realistic response i gave to another human being who claimed he/she was being attacked. if it's just a snap judgment but not worth the effort, then may i suggest you refrain from such advice till you know for certain? if not, and you know me personally, could you perhaps provide a real solution instead of humming and hawing around the bush about it?

i mean, if you think I'M THE PROBLEM, then advice would be welcomed. but if the bulk of your advice is to search for some phantom problem in my responses to others that would cause them to disagree with me on the many hundreds of subjects on ATS............

....... then perhaps we all need to log off and not have opinions at all.

Thank you for proving my point.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


what was your point? you have me at a disadvantage. firstly, as i already stated, i'm somewhat brain damaged. you have to speak in clear, precise, well thought out and reasoned sentences. you can't expect me to understand why people would disagree with each other on a board such as ATS, beyond the obvious, and that would include me as well. i asked you to define for me, what it was about me that inspired you to make that snap judgement but instead, you've come up with some veiled .......what appears to be an insult. if you can't be bothered to help then why the facade of helping?

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by HankMcCoy

 

what was your point? you have me at a disadvantage. firstly, as i already stated, i'm somewhat brain damaged. you have to speak in clear, precise, well thought out and reasoned sentences. you can't expect me to understand why people would disagree with each other on a board such as ATS, beyond the obvious, and that would include me as well. i asked you to define for me, what it was about me that inspired you to make that snap judgement but instead, you've come up with some veiled .......what appears to be an insult. if you can't be bothered to help then why the facade of helping?

So, perhaps since you are brain damaged, and you have this inability to understand the communication of others, this adds to the confusion you experience when communicating your ideas and beliefs to others.

Perhaps it is this confusion you experience that exasperates your feeling of attack from everyone, as evidenced by the insinuation that I am 'insulting' you by implying that you might be part of your own problem.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


now THAT was a worthy response. and i thank you for taking the time to make it. next up is the question of, if we are all here debating the many varied subjects of our planet, from politics to honeybees, and everything inbetween, and are regularly attacking each other over differences of opinions, are we then all suffering from the same problem== et.al, we are our own problems?

Originally posted by undo
are we then all suffering from the same problem== et.al, we are our own problems?

Absolutely.

If there is one thing I have been able to soak up from my girlfriend during her long journey for her PhD in Conflict Resolution, it is that in almost all incidents we ourselves are our own biggest roadblocks to that acceptance and understanding we are searching for.

reply to post by HankMcCoy


you just earned yourself a star!

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reply to post by Kerry_Knight


i remember complaining once upon a time about the excessive amount of unsolicited porn email i was getting almost every single day. and some of the subject titles of these (which i didn't bother to open), were real bad. it was frustrating to think that there was literally nothing i could do to keep them from sending smutt into my home, where my kids could accidentally access it and that i would have to monitor my computer 24 hours a day to be sure this porn ring, had the freedom to send their unsolicited garbage into my home, into my personal computer...that i paid for...in my own home...that i paid for. .. you get the idea.

i never visited a porn site nor gave them any reason to send me the emails, but their supporters and the supporters of non-censorship, felt it was important that whoever was doing it, be allowed to continue because censorship sucks, and because religious programming gets sent into homes and isn't censored. they literally could not see the difference. the only point of concern for them was that nobody likes unsolicited email!

i was told that if i didn't like it, that perhaps i shouldn't be on the internet. that the net was mostly for guys who were looking for porn anyway. yep, that's what i was told.

thankfully, it turned out it was one guy who was responsible for sending out almost all unsolicited porn emails to millions of people around the world, and he was found and put out of business for abusing the internet.

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So are we all agreed that ATS staff do not have a bias against christians and do not condone hate against them? If you like non christians can post the hate threads directed at them.. there are plenty to choose from.

reply to post by riley


i don't think ATS staff has a bias against christians, specifically. i think it's endemic to the world we live in today because of stereotyping. if the mods started defending christians against hate speech now, easily 2/3rds of the place would erupt into an angry mob. it's in all our public school text books, in our popular music, in our tv shows, our newspapers, our movies, and in many novels. i don't see how you can stem a tide like that in a public forum.

Originally posted by undo
reply to post by riley

 

i don't think ATS staff has a bias against christians, specifically.

That was the claim made in the OP.

i think it's endemic to the world we live in today because of stereotyping. if the mods started defending christians against hate speech now, easily 2/3rds of the place would erupt into an angry mob.

I agree.. if mods started defending christians against "hate speech"/contrary opinions and ignoring it when it's directed at non christian there would be a major backlash. They are meant to be impartial.

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reply to post by riley


i think the op was saying (and this does happen more glaringly in big surges) is the inordinate amount of it that is given a free pass. for example, as one of the other posters in the thread pointed out, when someone attempted to copy the offensive signature with the guy's handle in it, it was censored out by a mod. i can understand this and not understand this at the same time. 1) i understand it because it is singling out an individual for ridicule based on his opinion. 2) i don't understand it because his version was singling out all people of a certain belief system, for ridicule, based on their opinions. the two things clash dramatically with each other on an ethical basis but do not, on a personal basis unless the person reading it, takes it to heart. and therein lies the rub. if you self-identify as a christian, he's talking to you, personally.

like the myriad other examples of stereotyping i've seen over the years, it's neither true nor worthy of the individual who is using it as his signature. all it's done is upset people or give others who think you can blame entire groups of people for what a few people have done, that they are right in thinking so.

it's a case of pot-kettle black that just never freakin' ends.

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