A possible method for faster than light communication using Pi, page 2
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reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 02:14 AM by tauristercus
reply to post by SevenThunders



If you were able to alter space time I'm afraid it would take time to propagate to the other side of the universe. No doubt it would travel no faster than the speed of light, though there is some controversy about this.


Now thats a very interesting point ... would the ability to alter a fundamental constant to another value take some measurable time to permeate throughout the universe ? Would it have a speed limitation and would this be below, at or above light speed ? If it did have a speed limitation, wouldn't this imply that a fundamental constant change thats moving through space/the universe implies that it's some form of unknown energy transfer ?

But personally, I believe that a universal constant just simply "exists" throughout the fabric of the universe or space/time ... in other words, alter a fundamental constant and the change appears immediately throughout the entire universe ... how ? ... no idea


reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 02:53 AM by wiredamerican
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But personally, I believe that a universal constant just simply "exists" throughout the fabric of the universe or space/time ... in other words, alter a fundamental constant and the change appears immediately throughout the entire universe ... how ? ... no idea


One possibility would be that all the particles in the universe are actually part of 1 particle. The reason it might be perceived particles are separate and fill a universe may be hidden in space time warpage. It would be like an apple being an apple yet all of its cells are perceived to be divided billions of light years around the universe being that it is only a perception or a illusion and it is still actually a solid apple.

so, in my solid universal particle theory, talking across the universe would be as fast and as easy as talking to yourself. If somebody found out how to get rid of the illusion of space time warp effect.



reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 03:18 AM by LightFantastic
reply to post by tauristercus


Hi taurisercus

You seem to have a child-like fascination with the world which I'm sure many on here find refreshing (I don't mean your intellect is child-like, just your fascination!) Unfortunately for most of us the hum-drum of life gets rid of that.

Current physics forbids information to exceed C and unfortunately changing PI by slightly warping the whole universe would be classed as information so subject to the same rules. But step outside our universe and it may be possible to do this. If we could do this then instead of encoding letters it makes sense to modulate a zero between 0 and 1 to send a message serially to avoid the requirement to change the value too much.

This then leaves the problem of how the receiver can tell that PI has changed accurately enough to receive the message.

Although entanglement links has been timed to be greater than 50C there is no known way to pass real information via this link. I can't view the posted video unfortunately to see what is said there.


reply posted on 12-11-2009 @ 04:34 AM by tauristercus
Originally posted by LightFantastic
reply to post by tauristercus


Hi taurisercus

You seem to have a child-like fascination with the world which I'm sure many on here find refreshing (I don't mean your intellect is child-like, just your fascination!) Unfortunately for most of us the hum-drum of life gets rid of that.


I'll accept that in the spirit it was given ... as a compliment.
Yes, I'm the 1st to admit that I've always found a fascination with the universe in which we find ourselves a part of and have always believed that there must be untold mysteries and discoveries for us as a species, waiting to be explored.



Current physics forbids information to exceed C and unfortunately changing PI by slightly warping the whole universe would be classed as information so subject to the same rules. But step outside our universe and it may be possible to do this. If we could do this then instead of encoding letters it makes sense to modulate a zero between 0 and 1 to send a message serially to avoid the requirement to change the value too much.


Don't get me wrong here ... I didn't create this thread for the purpose of expounding an earth (universe ?) shaking theory or to claim deep intellectual and/or scientific insight ... or even a personal "Eureka moment". I merely had what I considered an interesting "insight" that irrespective of it's validity (or lunacy), I thought that perhaps some ATS'ers would appreciate ripping into it (in a constructive manner, of course !) and giving their grey cells something different to ponder beside the usual fare of doom and gloom catastrophes that seems to be so prevalent on this forum.


reply posted on 23-1-2011 @ 05:35 PM by tauristercus
Originally posted by maxwellsdemon
Simple answer you have forgotton from preschool Pi = 22/7, why bother with millions of digits when the answer is in your face, I told you about quantum entanglement in another post and you haven't read the physics yet.

It is easier to calculate an ABSOLUTE value of 22/7 than Pi as a decimal which is a never ending number.

Sorry but you've completely misunderstood why I chose to use pi with it's infinite number of decimal places.

The primary reason for embedding the communication millions of decimals places away was to try to reduce to zero any change in the "physical world" ratio of the diameter of a circle to it's circumference.

As an example, if we inserted our message, represented by say the sequence of numbers 10101010 into pi starting at decimal position 3, we'd obviously be changing pi from 3.1415926 to 3.1.410101010.
Such an early change would be disastrous to any mathematical calculation using pi and even more disastrous to every circle ... in fact it would probably be impossible to construct or draw a near to perfect circle using a pi value of 3.1410101010. Such an early change would most likely screw up the entire universe as the universe is full of circles !

However, we can hopefully sidestep or minimize to almost zero any effects caused by changing pi if we restrict ourselves to making changes millions of decimal places away from the start of pi. Doing this should have virtually no effect on any mathematical calculation using pi and also circles will still be almost indistinguishable from circles drawn with an unaltered pi.


reply posted on 23-1-2011 @ 10:35 PM by 547000
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22/7 is NOT pi. It is an approximation to pi. Just like 3.14 is not pi. Pi is irrational, so it goes on forever without a fixed sequential pattern and thus cannot be written as a fraction.


reply posted on 24-1-2011 @ 11:57 AM by maxwellsdemon
reply to post by 547000

yes it does, use a calculator in a base 10 format, divide 22 by 7 and we have a base ten value for Pi.

Your quote;

"22/7 is NOT pi. It is an approximation to pi. Just like 3.14 is not pi. Pi is irrational, so it goes on forever without a fixed sequential pattern and thus cannot be written as a fraction"

But using a fraction (algebra in "N" forms")
It is a recursive number 3.1428571428571428571428571428571

Search ResultsPi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaπ (sometimes written pi) is a mathematical constant whose value is the ratio of any circle's circumference to its diameter in the Euclidean plane; ...

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Pi Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHowever, 22/7 is actually a closer approximation of π than 3.14 is. ... The distance travelled through the entire orbit around the sun, divided by the ...

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Pi Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia However, 22/7 is actually a closer approximation of π than 3.14 etc.is. ... The distance travelled through the entire orbit around the sun, divided by the ...

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I prefer simple math.

Point proven 22/7 is better than base 10 for accuracy

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