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Originally posted by Vinveezy
reply to post by Philalethes
"Can you please explain how the NWO talked this guy into doing this? "
Who ever said it was this guy? The eyewitnesses said the men where wearing black cloth including masks. Your saying that their is not ONE member of the Illuminati or free mason and so on. who wouldn't do this? most likely they expected to get out alive. If their can be religious extremists why cant the GVOT create government extremists?
"Hate to break it to ya, but we're not at war with the Buddism." wtf does that mean?
Originally posted by Vinveezy
Your such a blind fool. how dare you say i have no compassion for those who lost a loved one.
what is wrong with me? what the is wrong with you? because I'm going by what the WITNESSES said not FOX i am a bad person? Because i question what the news says I'm a bad person?
Can you provide links to the interviews in which eyewitnesses said they saw 3 gunmen all dressed in black? Ive not seen anything of the sort. Let's see some supporting evidence to your, "facts," ok?
Originally posted by shrike071
This should be the nail-in-the-coffin for anyone that thinks that Fox is a 'credible' news source. To my knowledge, this type of blatant fabrication has not been evident on other news channels and puts Fox in a league by itself.
What has happened to journalistic ethics?! What has happened to integrity?
On to the clip:
[edit on 11-11-2009 by shrike071]
Gunman kills 11, injures 31 at Fort Hood (UPDATE 5: SHOOTER STILL ALIVE, IN POL. CUSTODY)
The shooter was killed and two other suspects, who are also soldiers, have been apprehended, Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone said.
Number of shooters
The fact that at least three gunmen are involved already has Shuster and Miklaszewski mentioning similarities to the Fort Dix Six plot on MSNBC . . . two of the gunmen are still at large and one has fired shots at the SWAT team on the scene . . . . New details from CNN:
One gunman “neutralized,” one “cornered,” no word on the third. . . . Whether there are two shooters or three seems to be in dispute at the moment, but there’s certainly more than one: The second shooting on the base evidently occurred at a theater. . . . Fox News says there are reports that the men were dressed in fatigues. . . . MSNBC TV says two shooters are in custody now. . . . it sounds like both shooters are military . . .According to MSNBC, there were three shooters. . . In case you’re wondering whether the other two soldiers in custody were actual accomplices or just being questioned because they knew Hasan, Rick Perry just said at the presser he’s holding that all three were shooters. . . . Hearing rumblings on Twitter right now that Perry was wrong and that the two other “suspects” have now been released. Was Hasan, in fact, a lone gunman? . . . . According to the general conducting the briefing going on right now, he appears to be a lone gunman.
The fate of the shooter
One of the shooters is dead. . . One is dead, two more are in custody. Has there ever been a case of “battle stress” that involved a conspiracy by multiple people? . . . So poor and fragmented have the early media reports about this been that only now, after 9 p.m. ET, do we learn that … Hasan’s still alive. He’s in stable condition.
Do you have any idea how foolish you seem? How juvenile your views are?
I'm sure you don't.
Originally posted by chiron613
I'm thinking he was a "terrorist", in that his behavior was motivated, at least in part, by a desire to instill fear into some people. I think that Hasan was in a no-win situation, where he couldn't get out of his Army obligations, but felt unable to go to fight Muslims. If he refused to go, he faced imprisonment, probably. If he went, he faced the prospect of killing fellow Muslims and then going to hell.
My gut feeling is that he was hoping to commit "suicide by police", kill a bunch of soldiers and get himself killed, thus assuring that he'd go straight to Paradise. That would be one solution to his dilemma. He avoids prison, goes to Paradise, and gets to take out some soldiers. AFAIK, direct suicide (for example, shooting himself) is a sin in Islam, as it is in most religions. He couldn't take that way out. His actions would have relieved him of his burden in a way that would get him to Paradise, according to his beliefs.
So yes, I think this was an act of terror. Hasan wasn't (apparently) a member of an organized terror outfit (not counting the Army), but that doesn't mean he wasn't a terrorist.
But this does raise the question of, exactly when is someone a terrorist? What about other mass murderers, guys like the DC sniper, the Virginia Tech shooter? I haven't heard the word applied to them, but they no doubt were also motivated to instill fear into people. Wouldn't that make them terrorists?
Originally posted by impressme
It really goes to show how immature you are as well, by continue to harass the OPS for answers that you and I know were reported in the earlier stages of the Fort Hood breaking News stories and most of them have now been scrubbed from the internet.
I heard about the men dress in black as well when the story broke and they did claim there were three shooters. We didn’t make this up blame your corporate media.
Originally posted by spy66
I just have to ask. Since when did a doctor of his statue get a job as a com-batten. He would not have been sent out to do combat. He would probably only see the results of combat. And treat it. That is his function.
So his fear of having to kill his own people would be like ZERO. So that cant be the case.
“Any person subject to this chapter who, without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he—”
(1) has a premeditated design to kill;
(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;
(3) is engaged in an act that is inherently dangerous to another and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or
(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson; is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct.
Why would a devout mMuslim VOLUNTEER to join the service when he KNEW we were engaged in the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq? If he was, as some of the Doctors who served with him say he claimed, a Muslim first and American second, WHY join in the first place?
"The Tuqyah [practice of deception, lying or concealment for expediency]
is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,
[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]
The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers
Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,
[وَمَن يَفْعَلْ ذَلِكَ فَلَيْسَ مِنَ اللَّهِ فِي شَىْءٍ]
(And whoever does that, will never be helped by Allah in any way) meaning, whoever commits this act that Allah has prohibited, then Allah will discard him. Similarly, Allah said,
[يأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَتَّخِذُواْ عَدُوِّى وَعَدُوَّكُمْ أَوْلِيَآءَ تُلْقُونَ إِلَيْهِمْ بِالْمَوَدَّةِ]
(O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as friends, showing affection towards them), until,
[وَمَن يَفْعَلْهُ مِنكُمْ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ سَوَآءَ السَّبِيلِ]
Allah said next,
[إِلاَ أَن تَتَّقُواْ مِنْهُمْ تُقَـةً]
(unless you indeed fear a danger from them) meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.'' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, "The Tuqyah is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'' Allah said,
[وَيُحَذِّرُكُمُ اللَّهُ نَفْسَهُ]
(And Allah warns you against Himself.) meaning, He warns you against His anger and the severe torment He prepared for those who give their support to His enemies, and those who have enmity with His friends,
[وَإِلَى اللَّهِ الْمَصِيرُ]
Allah encourages the believers to show enmity to the idolators and to dissociate from them, affirming that they do not deserve to enjoy a covenant of peace, because of their Shirk in Allah and disbelief in Allah's Messenger .
If these disbelievers have a chance to defeat Muslims, they will cause great mischief, leave nothing unharmed, disregard the ties of kinship and the sanctity of their vows. `Ali bin Abi Talhah, `Ikrimah and Al-`Awfi narrated that Ibn `Abbas said, "Ill means kinship, while, Dhimmah means covenant.'' Ad-Dahhak and As-Suddi said similarly.
[اشْتَرَوْاْ بِـَايَـتِ اللَّهِ ثَمَنًا قَلِيلاً فَصَدُّواْ عَن سَبِيلِهِ إِنَّهُمْ سَآءَ مَا كَانُواْ يَعْمَلُونَ - لاَ يَرْقُبُونَ فِى مُؤْمِنٍ إِلاًّ وَلاَ ذِمَّةً وَأُوْلَـئِكَ هُمُ الْمُعْتَدُونَ - فَإِن تَابُواْ وَأَقَامُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَءاتَوُاْ الزَّكَوةَ فَإِخْوَانُكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَنُفَصِّلُ الاٌّيَـتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْلَمُونَ ]
Allah says, if the idolators with whom you conducted peace treaties for an appointed term break
(their oaths) meaning, terms of their treaties, and covenants
[وَطَعَنُواْ فِى دِينِكُمْ]
(and attack your religion...) with disapproval and criticism, it is because of this that one who curses the Messenger, peace be upon him, or attacks the religion of Islam by way of criticism and disapproval, they are to be fought. This is why Allah said afterwards,
[فَقَـتِلُواْ أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ إِنَّهُمْ لاَ أَيْمَـنَ لَهُمْ لَعَلَّهُمْ يَنتَهُونَ]
Therefore, strike the swords upon the parts that contain the devil, for by Allah, it is better to me to kill one of these people than to kill seventy other men. This is because Allah said,
[فَقَـتِلُواْ أَئِمَّةَ الْكُفْرِ]
(then fight (you) against the leaders of disbelief.)''
[أَلاَ تُقَـتِلُونَ قَوْماً نَّكَثُواْ أَيْمَـنَهُمْ وَهَمُّواْ بِإِخْرَاجِ الرَّسُولِ وَهُم بَدَءُوكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ أَتَخْشَوْنَهُمْ فَاللَّهُ أَحَقُّ أَن تَخْشَوْهُ إِن كُنتُم مُّؤُمِنِينَ - قَـتِلُوهُمْ يُعَذِّبْهُمُ اللَّهُ بِأَيْدِيكُمْ وَيُخْزِهِمْ وَيَنْصُرْكُمْ عَلَيْهِمْ وَيَشْفِ صُدُورَ قَوْمٍ مُّؤْمِنِينَ - وَيُذْهِبْ غَيْظَ قُلُوبِهِمْ وَيَتُوبُ اللَّهُ عَلَى مَن يَشَآءُ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ ]
What this essentially means is that Muslims living in the West can pursue a course of peace with their unbelieving neighbors since the latter clearly outnumber the former. Yet when the Muslims muster enough power and wealth to overcome the "infidels" they will be forced to abandon peace and seek to conquer the disbelievers instead.
In particular, this Islamic teaching destroys any basis for trust in peace treaties made by Muslims. They are never thought to be lasting but only until such time as the Muslims feel strong enough that it is to their advantage to break the peace and attack the unbelievers again. For this reason Islam does not know genuine peace treaties with non-Muslims, i.e. peace treaties that end war once and for all, but only temporary truces that can be dissolved at any time. Is it any wonder that Muhammad is quoted as saying that war is deceit!
the Quran permits Muslims to accept a peace treaty from the unbelievers whom they are fighting:
But if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. S. 8:61 Hilali-Khan
So be not weak and ask not for peace (from the enemies of Islâm), while you are having the upper hand. God is with you, and will never decrease the reward of your good deeds. S. 47:35 Hilali-Khan
Muslims are commanded not to seek peace with the unbelievers, provided that they are the more dominant party! As the tafsir of Ibn Abbas states:
(So do not falter) do not weaken, O believer, upon fighting the disbelievers (and cry out for peace) and it is said this means: for Islam before fighting (when you (will be) the uppermost) when you are the victorious and the ultimate consequence will be in your favour, (and Allah is with you) He helps you to defeat your enemy, (and He will not grudge (the reward of) your actions) and He will not diminish the works in which you engage during Jihad. (Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs; online source; bold and underline emphasis ours)