don't give in to the fear mongering. it's bad for your health.

4000 is that all? with all ther hype i was hoping it be 4 million. And i said this before in another thread our ancestors that survived the 1918 epidemic the survivours survived because they was naturally immune to it or they built up an immunity to it. As with the course of evolution that immunity is passed down through the generations. the vast majority of us will catch swine flu but its hardly going to kill us albeit a few here and there.

I read in another post somewhere that the CDC had stopped doing testing to verify wheather H1N1 was the cause of flu related deaths because of the extremely low numbers they were discovering. (if anyone can link to this post I'd appreciate it).

For them to now come up with a number 4 times their original estimate shows to me that they are playing fast and loose with their numbers. Also note that they have to estimate because they stopped testing to verify if it was H1N. They are probable now counting every flu related death in the past year as "being swine flu related".

I don't buy it. It looks like they are ratcheting up on their propaganda campeign because word is getting out. People are afraid of the vaccine and they don't believe the H1N1 viris is that dangerous.

Don't fall for it.

Yeah, I agree. There's something wrong here. Either they're full of #, hiding something or completely inept.

Ok. I believe the numbers of deaths per year for the "regular flu" were about 100,000 world wide,.. so why are we alarmed?

People needs to understand that the CDC is taking the pneumonia cases be hospital or otherwise as part of the swine flu deaths.

Meaning anybody that dies of pneumonia complications be at the swine flu results or not are all considered swine flu deaths.

Why the are doing that? because the swine flu death by themselves do not add enough to justified mass vaccination, national emergency and a pandemic, actually it never was.

Another interesting thing, the CDC is adding numbers as early as April of this year, to boost the numbers.

What a whole bunch of crocks.

Originally posted by marg6043
People needs to understand that the CDC is taking the pneumonia cases be hospital or otherwise as part of the swine flu deaths.

Meaning anybody that dies of pneumonia complications be at the swine flu results or not are all considered swine flu deaths.

Why the are doing that? because the swine flu death by themselves do not add enough to justified mass vaccination, national emergency and a pandemic, actually it never was.

Yep I said that^^^^ earlier up there. This is so way overblown. I have to admit though when this first started in "Mexico" I was all about "it was gonna be Huge" but then I learned the truth. >all about the vaccine<

Originally posted by really

CDC now says 4,000 swine flu deaths in US

Yeah sure, let's see the dead bodies.

Bring out your dead.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by In nothing we trust]

The CDC and WHO were all too happy to skip counting people who died from Pneumonia as swine flu deaths. Anything they could do to minimize the true number of infected and dead was fine with them.

With the passing of time and the submission of papers to medical journals they can no longer deny that a large number of people who died from Pneumonia were actually swine flu victims.

There were also issues with rapid test kits that had a less than fifty percent accuracy and issues being able to detect the virus in people who had been infected but had moved on to the secondary respiratory infection.

This is how they go back and re-write history by claiming "we didn't know". They cannot continue to hold the same position against so many researchers releasing papers to the medical journals and so on.

The fact is, they did know. Everyone knew going back to Mexico that this virus was leaving people with pneumonia in large numbers. They just claim incompetence and no one holds them accountable.

In reality, they killed people. If they had advised Doctors about the secondary infections and told them to use antibiotics and pneumonia vaccines as preventatives they could have saved quite a few lives.

The whole thing just makes me sick. All they cared about was keeping economies going and global trade moving.

I know for a fact that local hospitals are now counting any flu like symptoms as confirmed Swine Flu

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
I know for a fact that local hospitals are now counting any flu like symptoms as confirmed Swine Flu

** Edited after talking wife my wife lol (she's an ICU nurse) **

Appears this is the case!

p.s. Love the avatar! V for Vendetta is FTW!


[edit on 11-11-2009 by notreallyalive]

[edit on 11-11-2009 by notreallyalive]

He's right. Official policy in the US is to call anyone with flu symptoms as swine flu infected. They don't even test now unless you have a very good Dr or you get hospitalized.

As for the vaccine contamination, do you have any clue how many state and national agencies take random samples of vaccines and test them?

How many researchers take samples of vaccines and sequence them for study in developing even better vaccines?

If you can convince me that tens of thousands of scientists are all in on the conspiracy I might start to believe it.

I can't believe people are falling for the disinfo campaign so easily.