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To those who have served ... you're not all heroes

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posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:04 AM
reply to post by Ulala

OMG, I had alot respect for you as a member of ATS, now that respect has just went right out the window. Especially on a day as special to the relatives and decendants of those whom died in WW1.

Just remeber if it was not for those brave men and women whom died, you would no tbe alive yourself, you would have probably ended up in a concentration camp also, or torttured, or had experiments carried out on you. Just count yourself lucky.

I have never been so astounded by the hatred and contempt of a member of ATS in all the time one has been a member. Absolutely speecheless.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:12 AM
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

so I guess the 12 part was right. Go show your family what you wrote here. I'm sure they will be real proud, "tough guy".

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:14 AM
reply to post by Laurauk

So you're saying the WWI vets were responsible for saving the entire race of humanity? LMAO! The world is a big place lady and even though WWI spanned several continents and even with war going on all over the world today, human beings will perservere and survive. There will ALWAYS be free people. And human beings will always fight to the death to remain free. The are tribes living in the Amazon that have probably never seen an automobile. Life is subjective, even to this day. Remember that.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Zosynspiracy]

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:17 AM
reply to post by network dude

I'm 30 big boy with an End the Fed and Ron Paul was Right sticker on my truck. Don't worry while you and your family are busy serving their masters the real patriots will be taking up arms and protecting you and what's left of this country.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:20 AM
reply to post by Ulala

Thanks for posting this garbage, now that i know where you stand and I can place you on ignore and feel good about doing in.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:26 AM
Speaking as a grandson of a Dunkirk veteran (now sadly dead), and relative of one of the current 10,000 odd serving british soldiers and friend to a few more out there, I thank god that we are able to commemorate Armistice day, and spend the two minutes thinking of friends abroad. Its not much to ask. None of them (my grandad included) think/thought of themselves as heroes, they are too professional for that.... its their job in their own words. I thank them every day with quiet thoughts and wishes for their wellbeing.
That goes to all UK/US forces out there at the moment.(not forgetting the other countries too)

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:29 AM
reply to post by Ulala

It's very enlightening that someone in "northern Europe" would post this. The United States manned and paid for your defense throughout the Cold War, while your governments', freed of any meaningful defense spending, poured money into social welfare. Had US forces not been in Western Europe, the Soviets would have. There is no meaningful debate on this, since the Soviet plans are now public record and former Soviet military leaders have vouched for them. Many of us here in the US are now thinking that perhaps protecting the soft, risk-adverse Western Europeans wasn't such a good idea after all.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:33 AM
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

Did I say that they saved the whole human race?

Show me where in my posting I did, or either bactrack or your comments or are you too guteless to even apologise.

Either way I hold those whom died in world war 1, up with more respect than the OP.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:35 AM
I believe in remembering the human beings who fought for our freedoms in the 2nd world war when an evil man had the world by the throat ,

Now however people who fight in wars after are only doing so for their governments greed and whatever interest it is not in the interest of world security or to protect our freedoms !
its to protect our resource interests and our wealth !

I feel that people who join the military now are crazy! they arent fighting for our freedoms , they are fighting for nothing

why join a military , to go around the world and kill people for governments greed!
terrorists no matter how many or how widespread , will never equal the shear ferocity of an entire country under the rule of a manical lunatic!

so why bother supporting these troops , fair enough they are getting killed for nothing , but they are choosing also do go and do the killing , and illegally as well !

so yeh lets all remember the veterans who actually made a sacrafice for world peace and our freedoms , but lets not remember the people who willing chose to kill illegally and have willining made the choice to serve in the military .

We shouldnt be encouraging troops to kill , we shouldnt encourage war in any sense , its time we started to see that its not us and them ! its just US , humans, earthlings .

I want all scottish troops out of afghanistan and iraq

my opinion which my country fought for in ww2 brought to you hear today!

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:36 AM

Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by Ulala

You should thank a Veteran and those currently in service that you even have a right to post such a thing. If you did this in Sadaam's Iraq they probably would have cooked you and ate you for dinner.

Have you forgotten that Saddam Hussein was funded and supplied weapons by the United States?

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:42 AM

Originally posted by Ulala
Nope, I don't think you're all heroes.

Nor do I think you all stand shoulder to shoulder with those who stormed the Normandy beaches, liberated the deathcamps or fought street by street through Berlin.

And I don't think it's right to venerate those volunteer soldiers and airmen who currently fight in unjust wars today ; in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those servicemen are pale shadows of the WW2 vets who fought and died for our real freedoms, real liberties and to protect our democracy. I don't say that lightly ... their deaths are in vain because they're not fighting to defend us from anything. What are they fighting for ? Really ? Does anyone really have half a clue now why our forces are over there ? Cos I don't.

The commercialisation of Veterans Day is disgusting. The coupons for Vets (Vets being defined as anyone who has ever worn a uniform in any capacity whatever), the memorabilia made in China ("$1 from each purchase donated to charity"), the Hallmark range of cards produced especially for the occasion, it's completely beyond parody. Glorying in slaughter "for a few bucks only".

I understand why folks are sensitive about negative posts in GradyPhilpott's thread. It's an insensitive thread in itself, it affords no dissent, you're either with us ... or ... with Hitler ? With the terrorists ? And it takes little account of others sensibilities. The US flag is proudly hoisted many times in that thread ; on this day never has flag waving been more inappropriate. Today is a day for no flags ... such is the scale of the catastrophic loss of human life in Europe and the Far East.

Too sensitive am I ? Don't think so.

[edit on 11-11-2009 by Ulala]

Seriously, your a sch-mu7ck.

Keep wasting time writing about things you dont know, while you keep sitting on your thumb rotating, the rest of us Veterans will continue on with our pride, tradition, and the wariior spirit.

You disgust me.



ATS this type of nonsense is just hand jerk circle prolifiration.

GET A LIFE... I'm never negative here, but some just spew crap for there "attention"
wah mommy was out at the bordello and G-ma must have fed you the teet huh?
Blimey limey cant cu-cu-cant curse at your measoley exeistence...

Well. sorry dude, I forgive your ignorance

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Jb0311NY]

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:44 AM
reply to post by Laurauk

No but you made the overly dramatic statement Ulala is alive and speaking English because of WWI vets. My response to you was just as overly dramatic. NOBODY knows what course history and mankind would have taken if Hitler would have invaded America. Chances are the same result would have occurred. Justice would have risen up i.e. the American people and fought him and his tyrants off. The world is a mix of good and evil and in my opinion good will always win out over evil. Its mankinds destiny. It doesn't matter how many Hitlers try to take over the world..........the essence of humanity is freedom. Myself and many other brave Americans would never think twice about picking up a weapon and defending our borders and our country. And you must not be well versed in the history of WWI. It was one of the most pointless wars in history.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:47 AM
reply to post by Jb0311NY

"Pride and tradition" have been the downfall of many powerful civilizations. Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Just ask the Spanish, Italians.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 06:49 AM
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

Get a life!


posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:00 AM
reply to post by Zosynspiracy

Oh right so the US would have nuked Belrin instead of the cities in Japan, now aren't they a bunch of heros

You made assumptions I was referring to those whom died in WW1, I was specifically referring to the date of the armistice day, after all that is why they are remembered in the firsty place. I was referring to the wars after world war 1. So your assumtions were false.

As for over dramatising the o/p's opening post. My grandfather fought in the 2nd world war, as well as the Burma war. Rather shocked and flabbergasted, that he the o/p took it upon himself to post it on that day. He could have picked another day.

I class servicemen/women as much as heros as nurses, firefighters etc, I have a lot more respect for them, than some member on ATS who wants to hurt other members in here by posting such a vulgar statement.

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Laurauk]

[edit on 12-11-2009 by Laurauk]

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:02 AM
reply to post by Prove_It_NOW

I will just say this. You remind me of the people who spit on those who served in the Vietnam war. Your lack of understanding of what FREEDOM is and how it is won, kept and earned is apparent.

Let a terrorist or a foreign army invade this country and you'll be pissin your pants and crying for help, for someone who was in the military to come assist and defend you. Go ahead, try to love those evil doer's into submission. They will be out to hurt you and don't care what your beliefs are.

What's going to happen is that no one will come to your defense or save you. You've become a YELLOW TARGET for us. Good luck at trying to save and defend your own arce. I know you can't by the way you write and for your hatred for those of us who have served. You can say we're all not heros, but the truth is, those of us who've worn the UNIFORM of our NATIONAL Service are HEROS. We STOOD and will continue to STAND where you cowards and crybabies who refuse to serve won't.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:02 AM
I had a really long rant, and have now deleted it.

I will ask, have ever read the poem Tommy by Rudyard Kipling? it's over a hundred years old and yet given your comments is as true today as it was when it was written...

Perhaps what you see as the MSM portraying soldiers are heroic is just trying to reverse the harm the sentiments demonstrated in the poem and your post do to those who have and indeed still do serve their country.

"Tommy Atkins," or just "Tommy," is the name popularly given to the typical British soldier.
red-coat -- an old fashioned term for a soldier
public-house -- a pub, drinking house
publican -- the pub owner
stalls -- best seats near the stage
blackguards -- ruffians (pronounced "blaggards")
the Widow -- here - Queen Victoria

by Rudyard Kipling (1865– 1936)

I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o'beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's ``Thank you, Mister Atkins,'' when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's ``Thank you, Mr. Atkins,'' when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy how's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints:
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:07 AM

It is Thomas Jefferson have you ever heard of him?
reply to post by Subjective Truth

I was waiting for that. I swear you milked it. You did milk it a little bit.
It's all been said right here peeps.
The OP would obviously walk in front of a Semi doing 90 mph.

posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:10 AM
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posted on Nov, 12 2009 @ 07:12 AM
reply to post by Laurauk

Nurses heroes? Do you really understand the definition of hero? Doctors and nurses and teachers are not "heroes". Sorry.

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