Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I guess putting your life on the line and fighting under your countries flag doesnt equate to anything these days huh Op?
These guys dont even think of themselves as heroes, and most of them are just following orders from people high up in the American military...so its a
bit demeaning to put words into their mouths assuming that they are self proclaimed heroes.
What does our flag equate to? Can you answer that?
The problem THESE DAYS is what is DOES equate to.
My family for generations were military.
My grandfather and his brothers served in north africa and landed in anzio. Shot in the legs and ended up a cripple dependent on military benefits.
His brothers are dead. My father grew up in poverty because of that in a three bedroom apartment and worked hard to get out of it until he was drafted
to go to vietnam. It effed up his head pretty good for a long time. I went to desert storm. The things I saw there were not good. It wasnt a war. It
was a slaughter. You start seeing the faces of your own children and family on the bodies you see there. No one I knew and no one in my family looked
at themselves like a hero, but rather, victims. You dont just shut off what you saw and go on about your life. Not that easy. We were all normal
people with aspirations and goals and these things were FORCED aside so we could do things that were wrong and none of our damned business.
When I got out, unlike what I was promised I had no useable skill to start a career in the civilian world. I lied myself into my first job and had to
struggle and adapt to figure out what I was doing. I AM lucky for that.
Now all these years later with an 11 year old son of my own, the cycle is broken. I have talked to him about war. I've talked to him about my father,
and my grandfather as well as what I have seen, and I have told him the truth. There is no way in hell he'll be doing a damned thing in the military
for anyone. He'll be pursuing his dreams and he'll succeed with my help. He'll succeed because he now knows to steer clear of anything with a
freaking american flag on it.
I heard someone mention the word coward...well it takes far more bravery to stand up for what is right than to suck up your true feelings and go
This flag, and all this "thank you for your service" crap to me is more like saying "thank you for being a fool", or "thank you for starting
ahead of the game and screwing it all up". But I do not blame the vets for this.
And for people to mention "our freedom"...what freedom????
This country makes every sttempt to trap you at every turn. It steals almost half your salary, it fines you, and then taxes you everytime you spend
what you have left. The entire system is rigged against you. And if you are someone brave enough to try and show others about how to break the cycle
of this flag pissing all over you, you are labelled a coward? I'll show you coward...
Does this mean I think vets deserve no respect? Absolutely not. They are some of the most disrespected individuals on this planet. Why?
Because they are dragged into situations where they are forced to save their asses. People around the world have learned to hate us. It's not about
being a hero like mentioned before. It's about survival. And in that, the whole "thank you" thing falls apart. Many are still trying to survive
long after they get back home. What the hell?
If you want to respect the vets, show them that the cycle is broken and refuse to go around the world where we have no legitimate threats and stop
helping the bastards that send you there from getting richer. At least then, they will see that someone else learned from what they had to go
Maybe one day in the future knowing what US Vets know now, we can create something honorable by defending our freedoms against the most tyrannical
piece of crap in world history...the American Flag. Because to that end, many, many thanks would be in order, and we would indeed be free.
Now I will say this for the rest of the vets who survived....
Your suffering will not be forgotten. And the guilty parties will one day be punished. That's what veterans want to hear. That will bring closure.
Closure for all.