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Originally posted by Icerider
reply to post by LadySkadi
True, but if they are working to aid the military, it isnt quite the same, is it? The military is hardly ordinary people going about their 'normal' business, unless you consider a state of war normal.
Any role within the military is basically aiding the war effort, and unless that war is justified its difficult to see how any positive values can be attached to it.
Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But now we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense; we have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security more than the net income of all United States corporations. This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
Originally posted by ADVISOR
reply to post by Ulala
Not every one who served in the Armed Forces is a hero. They are Personel Otherthan Grunts ("POGs" pronounced POUGE not pawg) and support personel. Rear echelon mofos, paper pushers, suppliy clerks, fuelers, and truck drivers ect, who are not combat arms. They are volunteers, who chose to do something that not every one else does.
I don't know how people who never have been in the military and sit there and talk about stuff they have no clue about.
But until you or any one else, grabs your balls and mans up enough to swear an oath to god and country, that you will vow to always "support and defend, the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic", I don;t believe you have room to f'n talk.
Yes you have a right to your opinion and to voice it. But if it wasnt for the men and woman who served in the military, you wouldnt have that "liberty".
So next time one of you who never has served wants to speak your mind, please feel free, I insist. But don't cry when some one who has, stands up and speaks theirs.
Because this might be the land of the free, but God damn it it's the HOME of the BRAVE!
The men, who are real military heros.
They died, fighting in combat and fought for the freedoms and liberties that TOO MANY take for GRANTED these days.
The members of the worlds Armed Forces, who died fighting for a complete strangers freedoms and or rights, are the REAL HEROS.
They are the ones people need to thank. Thank the families for their son, brother or father that is the real hero, who died.
Remember, not to take for granted, the things we have that others do not.
It is ignorant...